r/cfs • • Nov 10 '24

Official Stuff MOD POST: New members read these FAQs before posting! Here’s stuff I wish I’d known when I first got sick/before I was diagnosed:

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Hi guys! I’m one of the mods here and would like to welcome you to our sub! I know our sub has gotten tons of new members so I just wanted to go over some basics! It’s a long post so feel free to search terms you’re looking for in it. The search feature on the subreddit is also an incredible tool as 90% of questions we get are FAQs. If you see someone post one, point them here instead of answering.

Our users are severely limited in cognitive energy, so we don’t want people in the community to have to spend precious energy answering basic FAQs day in and day out.

MEpedia is also a great resource for anything and everything ME/CFS. As is the Bateman Horne Center website. Bateman Horne has tons of different resources from a crash survival guide to stuff to give your family to help them understand.

Here’s some basics:

Diagnostic criteria:

Institute of Medicine Diagnostic Criteria on the CDC Website

This gets asked a lot, but your symptoms do not have to be constant to qualify. Having each qualifying symptom some of the time is enough to meet the diagnostic criteria. PEM is only present in ME/CFS and sometimes in TBIs (traumatic brain injuries). It is not found in similar illnesses like POTS or in mental illnesses like depression.

ME/CFS (Myalgic Encephalomyelitis/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome), ME, and CFS are all used interchangeably as the name of this disease. ME/CFS is most common but different countries use one more than another. Most patients pre-covid preferred to ME primarily or exclusively. Random other past names sometimes used: SEID, atypical poliomyelitis.

How Did I Get Sick?

-The most common triggers are viral infections though it can be triggered by a number of things (not exhaustive): bacterial infections, physical trauma, prolonged stress, viral infections like mono/EBV/glandular fever/COVID-19/any type of influenza or cold, sleep deprivation, mold. It’s often also a combination of these things. No one knows the cause of this disease but many of us can pinpoint our trigger. Prior to Covid, mono was the most common trigger.

-Some people have no idea their trigger or have a gradual onset, both are still ME/CFS if they meet diagnostic criteria. ME is often referred to as a post-viral condition and usually is but it’s not the only way. MEpedia lists the various methods of onset of ME/CFS. One leading theory is that there seems to be both a genetic component of some sort where the switch it flipped by an immune trigger (like an infection).

-Covid-19 infections can trigger ME/CFS. A systematic review found that 51% of Long Covid patients have developed ME/CFS. If you are experiencing Post Exertional Malaise following a Covid-19 infection and suspect you might have developed ME/CFS, please read about pacing and begin implementing it immediately.

Pacing:

-Pacing is the way that we conserve energy to not push past our limit, or “energy envelope.” There is a great guide in the FAQ in the sub wiki. Please use it and read through it before asking questions about pacing!

-Additionally, there’s very specific instructions in the Stanford PEM Avoidance Toolkit.

-Some people find heart rate variability (HRV) monitoring helpful. Others find anaerobic threshold monitoring (ATM) helpful by wearing a HR monitor. Instructions are in the wiki.

-Severity Scale

Symptom Management:

Batenan Horne Center Clonical Care Guide is the gold standard for resources for both you and your doctor.

-Do NOT push through PEM. PEM/PENE/PESE (Post Exertional Malaise/ Post Exertional Neuroimmune Exhaustion/Post Exertional Symptom Exacerbation, all the same thing by different names) is what happens when people with ME/CFS go beyond our energy envelopes. It can range in severity from minor pain and fatigue and flu symptoms to complete paralysis and inability to speak.

-PEM depends on your severity and can be triggered by anythjng including physical, mental, and emotional exertion. It can come from trying a new medicine or supplement, or something like a viral or bacterial infection. It can come from too little sleep or a calorie deficit.

-Physical exertion is easy, exercise is the main culprit but it can be as small as walking from the bedroom to bathroom. Mental exertion would include if your work is mentally taxing, you’re in school, reading a book, watching tv you haven’t seen before, or dealing with administrative stuff. Emotional exertion can be as small as having a short conversation, watching a tv show with stressful situations. It can also be big like grief, a fight with a partner, or emotionally supporting a friend through a tough time.

-Here is an excellent resource from Stanford University and The Solve ME/CFS Initiative. It’s a toolkit for PEM avoidance. It has a workbook style to help you identify your triggers and keep your PEM under control. Also great to show doctors if you need to track symptoms.

-Lingo: “PEM” is an increase in symptoms disproportionate to how much you exerted (physical, mental, emotional). It’s just used singular. “PEMs” is not a thing. A “PEM crash” isn’t the proper way to use it either.

-A prolonged period of PEM is considered a “crash” according to Bateman Horne, but colloquially the terms are interchangeable.

Avoid PEM at absolutely all costs. If you push through PEM, you risk making your condition permanently worse, potentially putting yourself in a very severe and degenerative state. Think bedbound, in the dark, unable to care for yourself, unable to tolerate sound or stimulation. It can happen very quickly or over time if you aren’t careful. It still can happen to careful people, but most stories you hear that became that way are from pushing. This disease is extremely serious and needs to be taken as such, trying to push through when you don’t have the energy is short sighted.

-Bateman Horne ME/CFS Crash Survival Guide

Work/School:

-This disease will likely involve not being able to work or go to school anymore unfortunately for most of us. It’s a devastating loss and needs to be grieved, you aren’t alone.

-If you live in the US, you are entitled to reasonable accommodations under the ADA for work, school (including university housing), medical appointments, and housing. ME/CFS is a serious disability. Use any and every accommodation that would make your life easier. Build rest into your schedule to prevent worsening, don’t try to white knuckle it. Work and School Accommodations

Info for Family/Friends/Loved Ones:

-Watch Unrest with your family/partner/whoever is important to you. It’s a critically acclaimed documentary available on Netflix or on the PBS website for free and it’s one of our best sources of information. Note: the content may be triggering in the film to more severe people with ME.

-Jen Brea who made Unrest also did a TED Talk about POTS and ME.

-Bateman Horne Center Website

-Fact Sheet from ME Action

Long Covid Specific Family and Friends Resources Long Covid is a post-viral condition comprising over 200 unique symptoms that can follow a Covid-19 infection. Long Covid encompasses multiple adverse outcomes, with common new-onset conditions including cardiovascular, thrombotic and cerebrovascular disease, Type 2 Diabetes, ME/CFS, and Dysautonomia, especially Postural Orthostatic Tachycardia Syndrome (POTS). You can find a more in depth overview in the article Long Covid: major findings, mechanisms, and recommendations.

Pediatric ME and Long Covid

ME Action has resources for Pediatric Long Covid

Treatments:

-Start out by looking at the diagnostic criteria, as well as have your doctor follow this to at least rule out common and easy to test for stuff US ME/CFS Clinician Coalition Recommendations for ME/CFS Testing and Treatment

-TREATMENT RECOMMENDATIONS

-There are currently no FDA approved treatments for ME, but many drugs are used for symptom management. There is no cure and anyone touting one is likely trying to scam you.

–Absolutely do not under any circumstance do Graded Exercise Therapy (GET) or anything similar to it that promotes increased movement when you’re already fatigued. It’s not effective and it’s extremely dangerous for people with ME. Most people get much worse from it, often permanently. It’s quite actually torture. It’s directly against “do no harm”

-ALL of the “brain rewiring/retraining programs” are all harmful, ineffective, and are peddled by charlatans. Gupta, Lightning Process (sometimes referred to as Lightning Program), ANS brain retraining, Recovery Norway, the Chrysalis Effect, The Switch, and DNRS (dynamic neural retraining systems), Primal Trust, CFS School. They also have cultish parts to them. Do not do them. They’re purposely advertised to vulnerable sick people. At best it does nothing and you’ve lost money, at worst it can be really damaging to your health as these rely on you believing your symptoms are imagined. The gaslighting is traumatic for many people and the increased movement in some programs can cause people to deteriorate. The chronically ill people who review them (especially on youtube) in a positive light are often paid to talk about it and paid to recruit people to prey on vulnerable people without other options for income. Many are MLM/pyramid schemes. We do not allow discussion or endorsements of these on the subreddit.

Physical Therapy/Physio/PT/Rehabilitation

-Physical therapy is NOT a treatment for ME/CFS. If you need it for another reason, there are resources below. It can easily make you worse, and should be approached with extreme caution only with someone who knows what they’re doing with people with ME

-Long Covid Physio has excellent resources for Long Covid patients on managing symptoms, pacing and PEM, dysautonomia, breathing difficulties, taste and smell disruption, physical rehabilitation, and tips for returning to work.

-Physios for ME is a great organization to show to your PT if you need to be in it for something else

Some Important Notes:

-This is not a mental health condition. People with ME/CFS are not any more likely to have had mental health issues before their onset. This a very serious neuroimmune disease akin to late stage, untreated AIDS or untreated and MS. However, in our circumstances it’s very common to develop mental health issues for any chronic disease. Addressing them with a psychologist (therapy just to help you in your journey, NOT a cure) and psychiatrist (medication) can be extremely helpful if you’re experiencing symptoms.

-We have the worst quality of life of any chronic disease

-However, SSRIs and SNRIs don’t do anything for ME/CFS. They can also have bad withdrawals and side effects so always be informed of what you’re taking. ME has a very high suicide rate so it’s important to take care of your mental health proactively and use medication if you need it, but these drugs do not treat ME.

-We currently do not have any FDA approved treatments or cures. Anyone claiming to have a cure currently is lying. However, many medications can make a difference in your overall quality of life and symptoms. Especially treating comorbidities. Check out the Bateman Horne Center website for more info.

-Most of us (95%) cannot and likely will not ever return to levels of pre-ME/CFS health. It’s a big thing to come to terms with but once you do it will make a huge change in your mental health. MEpedia has more data and information on the Prognosis for ME/CFS, sourced from A Systematic Review of ME/CFS Recovery Rates.

-Many patients choose to only see doctors recommended by other ME/CFS patients to avoid wasting time/money on unsupportive doctors.

-ME Action has regional facebook groups, and they tend to have doctor lists about doctors in your area. Chances are though unless you live in CA, Salt Lake City, or NYC, you do not have an actual ME specialist near you. Most you have to fly to for them to prescribe anything, However, long covid has many more clinic options in the US.

-The biggest clinics are: Bateman Horne Center in Salt Lake City; Center for Complex Diseases in Mountain View, CA; Stanford CFS Clinic, Dr, Nancy Klimas in Florida, Dr. Susan Levine in NYC.

-As of 2017, ME/CFS is no longer strictly considered a diagnosis of exclusion. However, you and your doctor really need to do due diligence to make sure you don’t have something more treatable. THINGS TO HAVE YOUR DOCTOR RULE OUT.

Period/Menstrual Cycle Facts:

-Extremely common to have worse symptoms during your period or during PMS

-Some women and others assigned female at birth (AFAB) people find different parts of their cycle they feel their ME symptoms are different or fluctuate significantly. Many are on hormonal birth control to help.

-Endometriosis is often a comorbid condition in ME/CFS and studies show Polycystic Ovary Syndrome (PCOS) was found more often in patients with ME/CFS.

Travel Tips

-Sunglasses, sleep mask, quality mask to prevent covid, electrolytes, ear plugs and ear defenders.

-ALWAYS get the wheelchair service at the airport even if you think you don’t need it. it’s there for you to use.

Other Random Resources:

CDC stuff to give to your doctor

How to Be Sick: A Buddhist-Inspired Guide for the Chronically Ill and Their Caregivers by Toni Bernhard

NY State ME impact

a research summary from ME Action

ME/CFS Guide for doctors

Scientific Journal Article called “Advances in Understanding the Pathophysiology of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome”

Help applying for Social Security

More evidence to show your doctor “Evidence of widespread metabolite abnormalities in Myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome: assessment with whole-brain magnetic resonance spectroscopy

Some more sites to look through are: Open Medicine Foundation, Bateman Horne Center, ME Action, Dysautonomia International, and Solve ME/CFS Initiative. MEpedia is good as well. All great organizations with helpful resources as well.


r/cfs • • 6d ago

Success Wednesday Wins (What cheered you up this week?)

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Welcome! This weekly post is a place for you to share any wins or moments that made you smile recently - no matter how big or how small.

Did you accomplish something this week? Use some serious willpower to practice pacing? Watch a funny movie? Do something new while staying within your limits? Tell us about it here!

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(Thanks to u/fuck_fatigue_forever for the catchy title)


r/cfs • • 1h ago

Activism Protest tomorrow: Norway’s proposed health guidelines would group ME and long COVID with PEM under the same umbrella as generalized chronic fatigue illnesses. Livestream available. Please join us!

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Tomorrow at 3 p.m. Central European Time (CET), there will be a live demonstration in front of the Norwegian Parliament to protest the new guidelines the government is trying to impose on us. These guidelines would place ME/CFS and long covid with PEM in the same category as chronic fatigue, burnout, and similar conditions.

Of course, we find this unacceptable. Not only could this mean receiving the same treatments as people with these other conditions (which could potentially significantly decrease pwME's baseline), but it could also make it more difficult to secure funding for research.

If anyone here is near Oslo and wants to join, the demonstration starts at 3 p.m. and ends at 4 p.m. It will take place in front of the Parliament building at Eidsvolls plass. Beds will be available for anyone who needs to lie down during the event.

For those who cannot attend in person, there will also be a livestream on Facebook Live feed link here . You can also participate via Teams Teams link here.

One important thing to note: if you join via Teams and keep your camera on, you might be projected onto a large screen at the event.

I'm pretty sure everything will be in Norwegian, so it might not be the most interesting or insightful event for those who don't speak the language. Regardless, I think having the numbers to show afterwards would be valuable.

So, if you can join simply to show solidarity, that would be amazing.

Thank you! ♥️♥️


r/cfs • • 1h ago

Vent/Rant I was discriminated against by delivery driver

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Sorry for long rant

I unfortunately heavily rely on uber eats for food
I really don’t like the app and have deleted it many times but reluctantly re download it as I have no other choice

I was already in a crash this week but my sister last minute had to work so I had to watch my niece which isn’t that bad as she is 9 and just came to my apartment to hang out

I ordered her a boba as she loves it and doesn’t get them often

I already was expecting it to be a hassle as the male drivers always act like it’s their first day on earth (never had an issue with a female driver)
Took him over 30 mins to get into my building even when I spoke through each simple detail but again they all do so I don’t care at this point

He kept demanding I come outside
I refused and told him im disabled which I shouldn’t have to as it’s an option for him to bring it to my door

When he got to my door he demanded I open the door as he wanted the see me

I refused and told him to leave it at my door

He kept demanding and I didn’t want to disappoint my niece

When I opened he got visibly angry and laughed in a very intense intimidating way and said “YOU ARE NOT DISABLED”
“ where is your disability,show me now” while getting closer and closer and looking me up and down

He then said I didn’t deserve my order and said “you will not get it you’re not disabled you don’t deserve this” and walked away cursing and shouting

My niece was confused and didn’t understand
I now feel so much worse and im just baffled

All on my birthday too ahaha


r/cfs • • 9h ago

TW: Diet, Weight Loss, Food Issues Anyone else just stopped caring for healthy diet and habits because it literally doesn't matter at all?

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I was an athlete for years and literally all my life I lived really healthy.

That resulted in nothing but severe health problems even more than CFS alone.

So now when I have severe CFS I literally stopped caring for having good and nutritious meals, any kind of routine, etc. because of multiple reasons.

First is I dont have energy at all to plan, cook, schedule anything. At all.

Second is, I LITERALLY feel NO DIFFERENCE when I eat really healthy for months or eat nothing but a bag of chips whole day for weeks. I mean seriously no difference.

Maybe the only thing that could affect this is if I were more prone to becoming obese I wouod change it but since I am ultra skinny and basically anorexic-looking I seriously dont care. And I dont care for possible long term outcomes because my will to live in general is near zero.


r/cfs • • 3h ago

TW: General Acknowledging overlap ≠ conflation and misinformation (autism burnout or pem)

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Apologies if not appropriate here

I do get that autism burnout and PEM can overlap, but conflating them as the same thing, especially from an autistic psychologist is just dangerous. As someone experiencing autism burnout who may also have ME, these aren’t the same. They acknowledged the differences but then said this. I covered the name to not dox this person, but yeah…

I also find their treatment strategies very oversimplified?


r/cfs • • 46m ago

Encouragement If you could be healed for 24 hours, how would you spend it?

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Hello. Was resting and I came up with a thought. If you could have a break from this illness, for 24 hours, what would you do?

Would you take it slow, enjoy the small, but long lost pleasures like a cup of coffee, walking, taking a shower etc. Or would you go all out on something big?


r/cfs • • 4h ago

Treatments MY DOCTOR IS LETTING ME TRY ABILIFY!!!!! IM SO EXCITED

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I’m just hoping it has positive effects on me


r/cfs • • 17h ago

Activism Require Medical Schools to Teach ME and POTS Diagnosis and Care

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Hi Everyone! I recently started a petition with the hopes of making some change in the way ME is treated in the hospital setting. It would mean the world to me if you signed. I plan to take this to New York's Governor, Kathy Hochul, and have a great endorsement in the works :)


r/cfs • • 1h ago

My Reccs for Low(er) Stimulus YouTube Channels

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Here are some YouTube channels and specific videos that I enjoy when I need lower stimulus media that makes me feel calm.

RYUCAMP A sweetheart camper and his adorable dog go camping in South Korea with very nice gear in all kinds of weather including heavy snow. There’s usually no music, except for a cute musical theme when Ryu the dog does his happy dance. The videos are all very cozy but my favorite (which actually doesn’t include his dog) is called “-21 degree No Tent Winter Camping Heavy Snow”.

Ambient Exploration Lovely walks through various locations in Japan with no music- just nature, bird, or city sounds. I particularly like “Walking the Momoiwa Trail on Rebun Island, Hokkaido, Japan”.

Ruth Speer Painting process videos by an amazing artist! She also has some Vlogs where she goes to museums. I’ve watched “painting lord of the rings but make it the garden of earthly delights” twice through now and I find it totally mesmerizing. You can slow down the video if her sped-up painting is too fast and turn off the music if needed. She does come in with narration every so often to explain her process.

CAPSULE JAPAN Exploration in Japan, usually involving cats. Generally only the sounds of the places visited, no added music. I really like “The cats come to see the dolphins everyday!” which is a video featuring The Japan Dolphin Center.

Drawing YeonYoo A woman and her dog go camping in South Korea, usually in her custom truck. She has a super cozy set up and visits beautiful locations. She likes to cook as well as paint with watercolors. I really enjoyed “Warm camping with a dog in a truck during the first snowfall”.

Paul Dinning Gorgeous nature videos from Cornwall, UK. They are mostly made for cats and dogs to enjoy but I like them, too. My cat loves the bird videos and the nature sounds are beautiful. I liked “Cows at The Coast”.

Fashion Channel Old videos of fashion shows from the 90’s onwards including Vivienne Westwood, Betsey Johnson, Issey Miyake, etc…so much fun to watch. I usually turn the music off. I love “VIVIENNE WESTWOOD Spring Summer 1995 Paris”.

Abao Ambience Videos of long drives, train rides, or walks in Japan. Some videos have music and some only have the ambient noise. I particularly enjoy the train noises. I love “Green Summer Ride in Nagano” and “White Winter Ride in Nagano”.

Small base camp Solo camping in Japan. This person has a particularly organized and personalized set-up that I find very satisfying. You can tell he’s spent years perfecting it. I can’t drink coffee very often anymore but I can allllmost smell it when he makes it in his videos. The audio quality is very nice. I really like “Snowy Kei-Truck Camping on New Year’s Eve”.

Cornell Lab of Ornithology Birds! The Bird in the Spotlight series is wonderful. Each video is about two minutes long, with only ambient noise/bird calls and facts about each bird in large, bold text on the screen. I enjoy “American Woodcock: Bird in the Spotlight”.

TLDR: I enjoy calm and ambient YouTube videos to help me rest. The names of the channels are - RYUCAMP - Ambient Exploration - Ruth Speer - CAPSULE JAPAN - Drawing YeonYoo - Paul Dinning - Fashion Channel - Abao Ambience - Small Base Camp - Cornell Lab of Ornithology

Enjoy ❤️


r/cfs • • 4h ago

How long did it take you to “wise up” to your limitations with this disease?

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I’ve been diagnosed with severe ME/CFS about a year (symptoms progressively worse for the last 5 years or so), and I still keep putting myself in situations where I agree to do things I know I can no longer do… then, I feel guilty when I can’t do them.

Why do I keep doing this to myself?

Why can’t I just accept the fact that it’s impossible? I guess it’s nice to be asked, but sometimes I feel like loved ones still don’t get it.


r/cfs • • 3h ago

i hate that this is the only thing that makes me feel normal for a few minutes

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already know i won’t be able to sleep tonight but i really wanted to take a shower today


r/cfs • • 1h ago

How our bodies recover from exertion.

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I’m wondering if previously very fit, athletic people have noticed the same thing? Before getting ME I use to be very athletic; 80km bike rides on the weekends, 20km every day to work and back. I use to run 5km in 20 minutes, dance all night and could walk until I fell asleep, but I still wouldn’t be worn out.

I use to love the ‘burn’ feeling from pushing my body. Me and a friend of mine use to share hills we’d come across in our area because we use to love cycling up them to feel that burn. I loved the feeling of my muscles working.

That, specifically, is very different now. What use to feel like a healthy rush of endorphins now feels like I’m dying on a cellular level. That ‘burn’ feeling now leaves me feeling weak and like I can feel each individual cell buzzing, along with all the other PEM symptoms of course. Since getting ME I have not once felt that invigorating pumped feeling after exercise.

To me this really does indicate that something is very wrong with how our bodies recover from exertion. It seems so obvious to me, and I know a lot of research has already focussed on this aspect of ME. I’m struggling to understand why it’s so hard to figure out?

Id be willing to offer myself for ME research, over exerting myself in order to have specific tests thy examine these processes. Aside from everything else, I really think that it that figure this out that people with ME could slowly improve as I believe its this issue that causes other parts of our body to cease functioning.

Which are the most interesting and conclusive studies on this?


r/cfs • • 6m ago

Activism local ablebodied ally - ideas for advocating?

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im already registered as a healthy participant in different study databases, i reached out to my representatives, i talk abt me/cfs however possible with coworkers, friends, and on social media, and im working with meaction as a volunteer. im debating putting up posters, or doing a fundraiser?

you all are incredible and awesome people and i want to hear from you guys!! to quote my partner, i “am the energizer bunny“, and i want to use my energy to help in any other ways i can!!


r/cfs • • 12h ago

Vent/Rant We need cure

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I’m writing this out of sheer desperation and helplessness. It honestly feels like we’ve been abandoned by everyone. I keep trying to convince myself that this can’t be true, because I genuinely cannot comprehend how a disease this devastating and disabling can be neglected by the medical community for so long.
I refuse to believe that the world can be this indifferent to the suffering of so many people. We are losing years of our lives, our health, our independence, and sometimes our hope, while effective treatments remain out of reach.

We need a treatment. We need serious research. We need to stop being forgotten.

But what am I supposed to do? Just keep sinking deeper into agony until I eventually take my own life?
If I had the strength, I would stand outside every major health organization and do whatever it took to raise awareness about ME/CFS. I wouldn’t even care if I embarrassed myself. I just want people to notice us. I want someone to finally listen. I want the world to understand what this disease is doing to our lives.

I want to wake up from this nightmare. I want my life back. I want us all to have a chance at living again.


r/cfs • • 1d ago

Vent/Rant My cat’s post viral syndrome is so accepted by vets

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My cat Nettle was rescued from a feral colony as a tiny kitten. She had a severe upper respiratory infection that had made her eyes seal shut. We nursed her through it and now she’s healthy and sassy and technically the leader of the entire world 👑.

But she still has flare ups. She sleeps more than our other cats. She struggles to regulate her body temperature, and her eyes will become inflamed and sticky again after any sort of stress, like us going away on holiday.

When we’ve taken her to the vet about these flares, they all say, “oh, it’s because she had a bad viral infection when she was young. This just happens with cats. Once they’ve had a bad virus they can just be a bit more weak and susceptible to things for life.”

And what really amazes me about it is how normal and accepted it is.

Nobody asks if my cat is faking it.

Nobody says, oh well if it’s related to stressors in life then it’s a mental health issue.

Nobody puts her on a graded exercise plan or tells me to stop her from resting so much.

Her symptoms are just observed and believed as biological presentations, and treated.

And apparently all vets see this often enough to have just accepted it is a thing?? Even though there’s no formal test or diagnosis or anything. Observation alone has taught them all that it exists.

Idk… this post is probably pointleee. But Isn’t it ironic that cats are believed more than we are? Next time I have a bad flare I might actually take myself to the vet.


r/cfs • • 2h ago

Advice Afraid of Danish doctors

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Anyone here who has ME/CFS in Denmark?

I just moved there! 💕🇩🇰

I’m really scared about dealing with doctors because of that* *Aarhus clinic perpetuating the myth that ME is functional :/

Just wondering what I’m up against :/

(I do plan on joining the Danish ME Foreningen)


r/cfs • • 16h ago

Severe ME/CFS Why do benzos help me so much?

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Whenever I’m in PEM, a benzo immediately calms me and lessens my symptoms. I would take one every day if I could but I know that’s (obviously) not a good idea.

I’ve taken them to prevent PEM as well and they work really well. Crazy.

Does anyone know why they work so well? I wish I could find a similar non-addictive medication. I’m already on anti-anxiety meds that don’t affect my ME, so I wonder why it’s benzos specifically.


r/cfs • • 3h ago

Advice Muscle (?) pain with PEM

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TLDR: Muscle pain with PEM not helped with OTC painkillers, looking for suggestions to discuss with a doctor

When I first got sick (Long Covid and CFS), I had this symptom all the time and it was unbearable (maybe I was in rolling PEM?). Now, it just happens when I'm in a crash. I'm assuming it's a muscle pain, but I don't know what nerve pain would feel like?

The best way I can describe it is like when you get a really bad flu, a deep achey, heavy feeling pain in your limbs.

I would say I went from moderate to mild but I've gone back down to moderate for a few months. When I was mild, I didn't have this symptom as often but now it happens more often. My doctor just advised me to take ibuprofen or Tylenol but it's bad enough that a maximum dose doesn't help at all.

I'm considering reaching out to a pain management clinic but I'm not sure what to say, if LDN would help with this?

The only thing that has helped me has been marijuana tbh but I don't want to be using that all the time, I don't know. But also if it helps, maybe I should inquire about a medical marijuana card?

I'm also just venting here, I feel like the people around me, even though they care about me, don't understand how exhausting chronic pain can be. I'm trying to gradually expand my envelope of tolerance but I'm also avoiding things because I'm dreading exacerbating my symptoms. It feels like people put too much responsibility on chronically ill people to figure out and deal with their symptoms.


r/cfs • • 22h ago

Activities/Entertainment I read 15+ books this year

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This is not objectively a big number for most readers, but it's a personal record that I'm very happy about.

I stopped reading around 5 years ago and picked it up again in 2025 when ME (mild) hit me.

All the sensory overload that comes from this condition makes it impossible for me to consume too much video/audio. I rarely go out due to physical limitations. Reading is comforting and has become my primary channel of decompressing.

Reaching this milestone felt like a win.


r/cfs • • 22h ago

TW: General This really is life now isn’t it

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Do you ever think about how poor your quality of life is, especially other bedbound folx? Like how is this ethical :(

I’m very severe ME&company (eds, pots, etc) & I made the dumbest decision to go with my mom to walk my dog

most days consist of laying still in darkness taking all my pain meds and 🍃gummies every 3 hours just to not be in pain being in and out of consciousness. I use the eye gaze feature on my phone to type most of the time.

Days just get so dark sometimes (no pun intended )


r/cfs • • 1h ago

What helped your PEM the best?

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It feels like this disease would be way easier if PEM was fixed.


r/cfs • • 2h ago

Advice Has anyone had these labs checked?

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TLDR: has anyone had either of the pictured labs/panels and if so, did they provide any useful information?

I meet the criteria for ME/CFS but I’d like to rule out other conditions, especially because my general fatigue, PEM, poor sleep and cognitive issues have worsened pretty significantly over the past year or so. I cannot tell if my (suspected) ME/CFS is just getting worse or if there may be other contributing factors. I was also recently diagnosed with a type of scarring alopecia that is thought to be an autoimmune condition and I have some other symptoms that could point to an autoimmune disorder.

Historically, I’ve had a normal/negative ANA, although it’s been at least a few years since I’ve had it checked. I did recently have a thyroid panel (including TPO) checked and it all came back normal. The comprehensive autoimmune panel pictured includes a lot more tests than I’ve had in the past and I’ve never had my cortisol and melatonin levels checked. I’m considering asking my doctor to order these, but not sure if it’s worth it. I’m already so damn fatigued and any more tests or doctor visits feels like a lot.


r/cfs • • 5h ago

Why would eating bread cause a crash?

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I've noticed that eating a lot of bread causes me to crash 10 minutes later. Anyone know why?


r/cfs • • 36m ago

Has anyone become severe despite not exercising, working, or getting another infection?

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I still don’t understand why I’m severe. Severe cases aren’t even that common in general but any story I see of people who became severe is usually people who continued to exercise or were pushed into GET, continued to work and push themselves in rolling PEM, or got an infection that made their ME worse. I completely stopped doing any form of exercise while I was on the mild end of moderate. Every subsequent crash has been due to emotional exertion. And this last crash that tipped me into severe after being moderate-severe for over a year…I don’t even know what caused it. A combination of watching too much tv and showering too much while also having some adverse effects to benign medications? That just sounds so stupid. This is why nobody believes me. It makes no sense. And now I seem to be crashing again.

It makes me think I have some sort of comorbidity, despite having no positive tests for anything. I have autism and POTS, maybe being autistic just makes me more sensitive? And as for the POTS, that just seems to get worse any time I crash but I don’t think it’s the reason for my crashes, although it probably doesn’t help. And trying to treat it ironically might have had something to do with how I became severe. Idk anymore.