r/TopCharacterTropes • • Jul 12 '25

Weekly Discussion Post "Fanbase opinionsshould not be counted as tropes." TVtropes: (kinda relevant post)

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A lot of complaints in this sub have been about some posts should not be here because they rely on fanbase opions so there for cannot be considered "tropes"

...and then we have TVtropes , where a lot of tropes are just from fanbase stuff.

I am going to be honest here , I have difficulty in what makes a trope and what doesn't. It ends up where I delete "breaks trope guidline" posts that has equivalents in the TVtropes site that are considered actual tropes.

Idk , I just wanted to rant here. I might be a very bad moderator here , I just try to make it tody as possible , I just don't really know how to.


r/TopCharacterTropes • • Mar 27 '25

Weekly Discussion Post Probably the most controversial one , honest thoughts on "No Kill Rule"? What are the most egrigious examples of it in your opinion? What media makes it work in your opinion?

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r/TopCharacterTropes • • 7h ago

miscellaneous Fat guys who get skinny and turn evil

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Yes of course I know many of these examples were already evil/controversial before losing weight, but I think there is a pattern of controversial behavior or scandal becoming more public after going through a major body transformation into something considered more conventionally attractive

Ethan Klein/h3h3– has gone through several weight fluctuations throughout his life but has been on the thinner side for the last several years, and has also become more ingrained in controversy online

David Harbour— Cheating scandal and harassment allegations coming to light after significant weight loss

Chris Pratt— was at one point a widely loved celebrity but has fallen into many controversies and weird political/religious associations.

Schmidt (New Girl)— needed a fictional example lol, I’ve never seen this show but apparently this character got arrogant and selfish after losing weight


r/TopCharacterTropes • • 2h ago

Characters Something wants to copy another thing, but because they dont understand the thing theire copying it comes out fucked up and deformed

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Still Life (Backrooms) - All of the backrooms are like this, but the Still Life are the most. Basically, if I understand it correctly, everything in the backrooms is created from the collective memories of that thing. So if it would try to create a copy of, say, me, it would use memories of the people who know me to create the clone. The problem with memories is that they can get warped. The more you remember, the less you do, as they say. And the results are these messed-up-looking "people" with deformed features.

Agamemnon counterpart - An old creepy video from YouTube. It starts with text that says that, in the future, on a destroyed blue planet, someone found a cassette tape. It then proceeds to tell us that the video is completely different from what is on the cassette tape before showing us a messed-up and corrupted-looking cartoon. Now, it could all be random, made to confuse you; however, a popular theory is that the video is actually trying to tell a story. That in the future, when Earth is destroyed and humanity is seemingly extinct, an alien race finds a tape with an old children's cartoon and tries to recreate it. Key word being tried.

Empty Child (Doctor Who) - In World War II London, an alien spaceship containing Medical nanogenes crash-lands in London. Now the nanogenes' purpose is to heal anyone it deems injured. The problem with that is that, for it to do its job, it must know what the species it's trying to heal looks like and its biology. And it hasn't the faintest idea what humanity looks like. So when it crashed in London, it crashed right next to the corpse of a little boy who died during the Blitz. The boy was wearing a gas mask, and since the genes had no prior knowledge of humanity, it assumed every human looked like this, and those who didn't, it deemed "injured," so it started turning normal people into gas mask zombies, with the gas mask being a part of their face.

Old AI (Real life) - Now AI has become so advanced it can be really hard to distinguish it from real life, even with its flaws. But when it first came out, it... wasn't like that. It just mindlessly copied the pictures in the catalogue without knowing why or what it was trying to copy.


r/TopCharacterTropes • • 1h ago

Hated Tropes [DESPISED trope] M A R K E T A B L E

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These sorts of characters exemplify the cynicism of late stage capitalism. In the world of modern media, it feels like all too often a new character pops up out of nowhere who you can tell just from their design were intended to be the new poster child whos mug they can slap on merch and orbit their brand around for the next couple years. some like Sqweeks or Star fail entirely to take off either to their media of origin flopping or simply being out of touch, and some instead garner the wrong kind of attention like Clod, making the source material a laughing stock as it is made abundantly obvious they tried way too hard. but characters like Grogu have undoubtedly taken the world by storm, meaning the keys jingling in front of the audience has worked. regardless of success, the intent is still there and it sets a terrible precedent, showing that ip holders can't even have the confidence to make their property stand on its own two feet and be popular due to genuine quality, they need a new cute face to make plushies of and have memes shared about them on facebook.

Star (Wish)

Grogu (The Mandalorian)

Sqweeks (Transformers: The Last Knight)

Clod (Elemental)


r/TopCharacterTropes • • 10h ago

Characters Character believes they have a condition that they clearly do not have

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Ricky Bobby (Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby): After crashing while racing, Ricky Bobby believes has been paralyzed from the waist down. But there is nothing wrong with his body, and he even uses his legs to kick other players during a game of wheelchair basketball. He gets angry when his friends tell him that it's all in his head, and in an attempt to prove them wrong, stabs himself in the leg. When he feels pain and stands up, only then does he realize he's not paralyzed.

Chris Haversam (Fallout New Vegas): Chris was a reactor engineer in a vault, and when he experiences male pattern baldness, believes that he has become irradiated and turned into a ghoul. He embraces his identity as a "ghoul" and joins a ghoul religious cult. They try to convince him that he's a human, but he doesn't listen to them. He calls humans "smooth skins" despite looking like any other human.

Brick (Anchorman 2): Brick thought he was dead, and spoke at his own funeral.


r/TopCharacterTropes • • 9h ago

Lore Subtle racism

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Edit: Alright, change the title to "Racism as Subtext." I’ve realized that’s a much more appropriate title for the post, but since the title can’t be changed, I’m doing what I can.

Alright, let me explain myself clearly. I’m referring to instances in a story—where different races coexist—in which racism or discrimination against a specific group is portrayed without being explicitly said. This is conveyed through things the characters say, how they interact with one another, and seemingly trivial details about the world.

Chainsmoker Cat: throughout the series—amidst the poop jokes, addictions, and giant dicks—there is clear racism directed toward the "beastfolk." They are subject to numerous stereotypes; for example, many people are surprised that Yani’s sister barely meows. beastfolk cannot pass down surnames to their children; consequently, individuals like Hameko—whose parents are both beastfolk—are born without a surname and must choose one later in life. It is mentioned that, in the past, beastfolk were barred from many professions, such as teaching or practicing law, and were relegated to seasonal labor—a situation not all that different from the present day. To make matters worse, they have been, and continue to be, subjected to intense fetishization. All of this is taking place while the characters live in Nyagamihara—a city built and inhabited primarily by beastfolk—so just imagine what it must be like in cities where the beastfolk are a minority.

Coyote vs. ACME (Spoiler Alert): This might be a bit of a cheat—since it becomes a central plot point in the second half—but from the very beginning, it’s clear that Toons are not held in the same regard as humans. For instance, legal cases involving Toons as victims are dismissed as trivial because they recover from injuries so quickly; meanwhile, a receptionist mistakes Coyote—an expressive, anthropomorphic Toon—for a pet. Even by the end of the film, once the world realizes that Toons do indeed experience pain (despite their rapid recovery), it is still somehow deemed acceptable to use them as test subjects for ACME products.


r/TopCharacterTropes • • 8h ago

Hated Tropes The long awaited... disappointment

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1) The Incredibles 2: Wait 14 Years

The only memorable thing about the villain was how obvious Evelyn Deavor (evil endeavor) was going to be the villian. The movie basically switched Bob and Helen's roles from the first one but worse.

2) One Punch Man - Season 3: Wait 6 Years

The animation fell off a cliff. The second season was a step down from the first first but the third season turned into a powerpoint presentation with partial redrawn manga panels to still images sliding down a hill.

3) Game of Thrones - Season 8: Wait 2 Years

Never has a series gone from a large part of the zeitgeist to never being mentioned again immediately after it aired. So many mysteries and storylines rushed to end in 6 episodes because the showrunners wanted to go do Star Wars and sUbVeRt eXpEcTaTiOnS.

Edit: No hate on anyone who enjoyed The Incredibles 2. To each their own


r/TopCharacterTropes • • 7h ago

Powers [Loved Trope] An In-Universe Reason for a Character Not Being Their Best

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When a piece of media goes on for long enough, the characters may have power crept a bit too much to keep things interesting. INTRODUCING: THE POWER RESET BUTTON! Examples:

  1. Kratos (God of War: Ragnarok): Between God of War (2016) and God of War: Ragnarok, many years has passed. During this time, titular character Kratos has been training his son, Atreus, and bonding with him while they stay in hiding. At the start of the game, during a fight with Thor he comments multiple times about how Kratos isn’t as powerful as he was, including a very meta-heavy comment about “trying to remember your old moves”. It makes sense that all the skill tree and experience point buying from the previous game has reset because Kratos hasn’t had a serious fight in years
  2. The Great Mending (Magic: the Gathering): in 2007, Wizards of the Coast addressed the growing power creep of Planeswalker cards by adding an event to the ongoing MtG story: the Great Mending. This event concluded with the noted Planeswalkers losing most of their god-like abilities, and in the real world Planeswalker cards had some reworks to make them less overpowered
  3. Buffy (Buffy the Vampire Slayer): Even for a ‘monster-of-the-week’ type show, power creep is real. By season 5, Buffy had grown past simply killing vampires and the spare demon or monster, had defeated ancient demons akin to gods and killed LITERALLY unkillable creatures. However, in the first episode of season 5 and a continuous theme throughout the season is that Buffy had been slacking on her training and her self-realization of her Slayer heritage, thus she has become much less sure of herself and not as adept. This allows for a return to an actual struggle, and a reason why she might not be slaying gods every other episode

EDIT: I was corrected on the Magic: the Gathering example, before the Mending Planeswalkers were NOT playable cards, the “Player” was a Planeswalker in the gameplay canon and since they wanted to start printing Planeswalker cards they had to severely depower them. My mistake


r/TopCharacterTropes • • 3h ago

Hated Tropes A character kills dozens or hundreds of people to reach the villain, only to say "I'm not like you" or "It's not worth it," and lets him live.

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Ellie (The Last of Us Part II): In her quest for revenge against Abby, Ellie brutally kills dozens of WLF soldiers, cultists, and dogs, leaving a massive trail of blood across Seattle. However, in the final fight, just as she is finally drowning Abby, she decides to spare her life in order to "break the cycle of violence."

Ezio Auditore (Assassin's Creed II): Over the course of two decades, Ezio stabs, poisons, and hurls from rooftops hundreds of Italian guards who were simply going about their duties. Yet, upon reaching the final chamber in the Vatican, he decides to spare the main villain, Rodrigo Borgia, the person directly responsible for his family's death, arguing that killing him "won't bring his family back."

Matt Murdock (Marvel's Daredevil): Spends years cracking skulls, fracturing spines, and leaving hundreds of street-level thugs with permanent brain damage or dead. Despite this daily brutality, he adamantly refuses to kill Wilson Fisk, claming "Im not the bad guy"


r/TopCharacterTropes • • 1h ago

Characters [Unique trope] Protagonists who don’t have a love interest

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Whenever it comes to movies and shows, I find most protagonists have that one person they are romantically or sexually interested in. That they will either try to pursue or that person is already involved with them intimately. I find it’s a bit rare you find a lot of lead characters that are single, and that having that significant others isn’t an important part of their story!

Ryland from Project Hail Mary is one example! Even though the movie does explore him sharing scenes with Eva, they don’t have that kind of relationship and it’s also revealed that Ryland doesn’t have a girlfriend or a wife.

Remy in Ratatouille is another! We never get any mention of him having an interest in someone, because his story is more driven on his passion and talent for cooking.


r/TopCharacterTropes • • 12h ago

Personality [Loved Tropes] Just because it's big, doesn't mean it's evil (minor Thalassophobia warning)

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Because it's nearly Halloween, I suppose I should've started with a Horror trope. But as someone who enjoys writing fiction, as well as being obsessed (sometimes... often too much) with wondering if something "would do this," I look up a lot to animal behaviors.

And giant monsters relentlessly hunting humans is a trope that I really don't like, under the reasoning of: "Would a predator actually try to hunt down prey it's never hunted down before?"

Especially under the reasoning of: "Would a predator really waste energy chasing this featherless biped?"

I mean. Between you and the internet, dear reader, how often do you hunt down individual ants to eat?

No. Whenever something gigantic is actually passive, or actually doesn't care about humans enough because THOSE humans might be dangerous, and/or a waste of time and energy, I really like that, as it implies that, these are living, thinking creatures who are cautitious enough to be careful on who they're treading on.

And sometimes.

It's just too big to care about the ants.

To name the creatures I've added on this list:

  • The Behemoth - The Mist. It's so large that it doesn't care about the protagonists and ignores them.
  • Sea Emperor Leviathan - Subnautica 1. It actually communicates with you! Telepathically.
  • Reefback Leviathans - Subnautica 1 again. Very passive. More like sentient props to stare if you're bored, or captured by the majesty, or frozen in fear because of how large they are. Maybe.
  • Leviathans - Kenshi. Lots of leviathans in this list. Giant mother hubbards that can decimate a party. Passive though and will not attack until provoked.
  • Tyrannosaurus Rex - Jurassic Park. Odd entry, I know. My justification is: In the scene/GIF that I shared, it haunts down one of the gallimimus in the pack instead of being hellbent on finding Alan Grant aand the kids. I know how the movie ends, but, this particular scene is what I had in mind.
  • Giraffatitan - Jurassic Park again. The more straightforward example. A large herbivore who aren't at all threatened by the humans underneath her feet and shows up for 3 more movies after this.
  • Elephants - Real life. I really like how smart elephants are and it makes me sad knowing they're poached.

Now, granted, I will admit something.

Plenty of the entries are not harmless. But that's not the point. The title is: "Just because it's big, doesn't mean it's evil." Not that "Friendly Giant" sadly. Just in case someone is confused.


r/TopCharacterTropes • • 6h ago

building/location. (Silly show trope). A blocked sign makes the reader mistake it for what it actually is.

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Basically, a sign reads something, but the sign is blocked by something else that when removed, reads something different.

  • In The Amazing World Of Gumball episode 'The Nemesis'. Rob/Dr. Wrecker sees a sign blocked by a bush that appears to read 'Elmore Dam'. Giving him the idea to wreck what he perceives to be a control panel that if wrecked would destroy the dam and wreck Elmore. But when Gumball and Darwin go to stop it. It turns out the control panel was connected to a simple vending machine. Upon moving the bush, the sign actually reads 'Elmore Auto Damage Repair Center', and the town never even had a dam in the first place.
  • In the Simpsons Treehouse Of Horror I episode (forgot name). Lisa finds an alien cook book that reads 'How To Cook Humans'. But it turns out that there was dust on the book and after some back and forth we see the book actually reads 'How To Cook For Forty Humans'.
  • In 'The Among Us Show', Lime goes to the weapons room and sees a supposed closet that reads 'WEAPONS'. But after seeing only strange aprons inside he notices that parts of the sign were covered up. When removed the sign actually says 'WEIRD APRONS'.

r/TopCharacterTropes • • 5h ago

Characters A running gag where almost every time a character is mentioned, they get their name wrong

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Baxter Stockman (TMNT 2012) The turtles and even his villain allies get his name wrong all the time, like Dexter Stockboy, Blitster Stockwell or Stinkman

Goku and Glorio (Dragon Ball Daima) Goku always gets Glorio’s name wrong, but in their final interaction, he says it correctly

Stephan (Pokemon Black and White) Everyone gets his name wrong or pronounces it wrong,


r/TopCharacterTropes • • 14h ago

Powers (Funny Trope) Cursed object is meant to mess with a person’s head in a certain way but on one person it can’t because they already are that way

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  1. Grim and Horror’s Hand (Grim Adventures of BIlly and Mandy Movie) Horror’s hand is supposed to show anyone who tries to grab it their worst nightmare and they have to overcome it to claim it. On Grim though it can’t do anything because he lives his worst nightmare everyday putting up with Billy and Mandy

  2. Ezekiel Jones and the Apple of Discord (The Librarians TV series)- Whoever holds the Apple of Discord gets turned into the worst versions of themselves. This caused havoc for the rest of the team including Cassandra almost causing Nuclear Armageddon and Flynn almost starting an all out magical creature war. For Ezekiel Jones who’s already a master thief though it can’t do squat because he’s already the worst version of himself


r/TopCharacterTropes • • 1h ago

Characters (Loved Trope) Story almost makes you root for a villain. then they do one thing that reminds you who they are

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  1. Penguin in Joker's Asylum. Throughout the comic we see penguin fall in love with a woman named Violet that he saved from a trafficking ring. She loves him too, excited to be free. Eventually she learns that he had heard a chef at a restaurant they were at laugh at him and he ruined his life as punishment. She calls him a monster, and more importantly calls him Oswald and this snaps something inside him. He breaks up with her by selling her right back to the people he saved her from

  2. Another Penguin but from Reeves Batman. Arguably theres two versions for this one Most commonly its when he kills Vic. Its very brutal and slow and we watch Vic struggle. But theres also where he continues to play dumb as if he didnt kill his brothers, despite his mom being at risk

  3. Clayface A lot of Hagens kills are revenge and we feel sympathy, its people who wronged him or hurt him. Until he kills Caitlynns fiance John and pretends to be him, just to have the ego stroke of seeing how she looks at her fiancee, but directed at him


r/TopCharacterTropes • • 13h ago

Characters [Spooky Season Trope] Undead characters whose appearance shows how they died.

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Pat (UK version) and Pete (US version) are both scout masters who took an arrow through the neck- Ghosts

Solomon Grundy has a noose around his neck and several knives in his back- Injustice/DC Comics

Rachel's eyes are bloodshot from drowning- Rachel Rising (Abstract Studios)

Nearly Headless Nick- Harry Potter

Mick was killed when his friend Anton's demon-possessed hand stabbed him in the head with a broken glass bottle- Idle Hands

The cyclist ghost who got hit by a car- The Sixth Sense

Miss Argentina's slit wrists- Beetlejuice


r/TopCharacterTropes • • 3h ago

Characters [Hated Trope] When adorable and bubbly characters get called children by the internet, despite being canonically adults

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Whenever there are characters that are all adorable, bubbly and sweet (bonus points if they're short) but being canonically adults, there are some idiots call them children for some reason

like Lanney from Gwain Saga

In Gwain Saga's official wiki page, her age is "18+", but in the show she's all adorable, bubbly and innocent. Basically being a bean character. Well, a bean character that will kick your ass. But i saw some idiots calling her child because of how she behaves. For fuck sakes, she even drank a beer and got so drunk she passed out.

And Emily from Hazbin Hotel

She's a seraphim, so she's obviously god knows how old, but by appearance, she's like in her 20's. She's so cute, sweet and energetic. And hell, She's even tall like Charlie, who's (approximately) 6'2". And a lot of haters called her a child and that whoever simps for her is a pedo.

Such judgment just looks like that only kids are allowed to be adorable and bubbly


r/TopCharacterTropes • • 1h ago

miscellaneous [Accurate Trope] sun is male, moon is female

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In The Amazing World of Gumball, speccially in the episode "The Love" and "The Boredom", the Moon is female and the Sun is male

In this Super Mario game, Mario Party 6, we have the characters Brighton who have the sun face while Twila have the moon face


r/TopCharacterTropes • • 13h ago

miscellaneous Controversial entry has one aspect that's generally agreed to be the best in the franchise.

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Pokemon Sword & Shield is a very controversial entry in the franchise, but most people seems to agree that it nailed the Gym Battle atmosphere, especially when the song change as Gym Leader throw in their last Pokemon.

Yu-Gi-Oh Sevens and Go Rush is controversial as it's seemingly the most childish entries, but it's generally agreed that its treatment of female characters were much better than all the previous seasons. As Yu-Gi-Oh is a franchise that's kinda infamous for always shafted female characters, most of them has more loss than wins, get kidnapped and brainwashed easily, or just doesn't get the screentime that they deserved. Meanwhile the Rush era od the franchise actually had their female characters win important matches(It's also the first time female character legitimately beat the protagonist without shenanigans), first female rival in Sevens and then first female MC in Go Rush.


r/TopCharacterTropes • • 8h ago

miscellaneous [loved trope] The Line That Goes Hard Out Of Nowhere

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When a lighthearted scene/song has an unexpectedly poignant line. Sometimes it’s subtle, sometimes it gives you whiplash.

- “Do you think God stays in heaven because he too lives in fear of what he’s created? Here on Earth?”

In Spy Kids 2: The Island of Lost Dreams, Steve Buscemi’s mad scientist character drops this philosophical warhead on the audience.

- “Only the dead have known the end of war!”

Galaxy Hamster by Ninja Sex Party is an otherwise goofy song about a rodent superhero, but between verses this war cry is let out.

- “Daddy, do you even love me? Well I wish you’d show it, ‘cause I wouldn’t know it…”

Adventure time is probably the king of this trope. This early episode has Marcelline the Vampire Queen improvising a song about a time her dad ate her fries, but quickly turns into a reflection of her abandonment issues.


r/TopCharacterTropes • • 12h ago

Powers [Badass Trope] An antagonist is introduced by them effortlessly defeating several protagonists.

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1) Fake John Lark: Mission Impossible: Fallout

When Ethan Hunt and August Walker first meet the fake John Lark, he is quickly ambushed and knocked out as they try to clone his face. However, after Lark comes to, he rapidly overpowers the two and sends them reeling with throat punches. Not even Walker's fist reload helped in their fight as Lark wrestles for the gun. He is about to kill Hunt, when Hunt is saved by Ilsa suddenly showing up and shooting Lark.

2) Harpists: Kung Fu Hustle

We first see Pigsty Alley being liberated from the Ax Gang by a trio of undercover martial artists. However, the Ax Gang soon hires a duo of harpists with a magical guzheng that can manifest blades and other weapons. The kicking master is ambushed and bisected, leading to the iron rings master and spear master confronting the harpists together. Unfortunately, the harpists send a fusilade of weapons toward the masters, cracking their iron rings and splitting their spears, easily dispatching them. Only the intervention of the Landlady and her Lion's Roar defeats the harpists.

3) Thanos: Avengers: Infinity War

When we first meet Thanos, we see Heimdall wounded, Thor restrained, and Loki pacified. Later on, Hulk surprises Thanos and seems to be getting the upper hand, when Thanos recovers and skillfully outfights Hulk. Not even Loki's trickery could defeat Thanos, leading to his death. The fight only ends when Heimdall teleports Hulk away to warn the others.


r/TopCharacterTropes • • 3h ago

Characters [Weird Trope] Character Is Much Yonger than They Look

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Leorio Paradinight (Hunter x Hunter): 19 years old

  • Looks like he's middle aged and divorced once

Yasutora "Chad" Sado (Bleach): 15 years old

  • Looks like he's late 20s and he just pulled a 12-hour shift at the factory

Nono (Planetes): 12 years old

  • A lunarian, a 12 y/o girl (no comment)

r/TopCharacterTropes • • 9h ago

Groups (Horrifying Trope) Lobotomized humans turned into slaves

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Star Wars The Deceaniated: First seen in Rogue one and then more closely in Solo: A Star Wars Story these cyborgs are the result of kidnapped human victims that are Lobotomized and their brain removed and replaced with cybernetics that turn them into unwilling servants for the galaxy's underworld.

Warhammer 40K Servitors: Once Human these slaves are often criminals or lab grown biologicals that have their memories wiped and programed to do simple tasks. Some of them still retain speech functions should the task they need include it but for the most part they are as hollow as the metal that was painfully stapled to their bodies.


r/TopCharacterTropes • • 17h ago

miscellaneous Normal or even “nice” characters committing acts of casual evil.

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Somewhere between affably evil and the banality of evil, it’s when a character who is considered normal or even delightful, does something that’s morally reprehensible without batting an eye.

Jonas’s Father from The giver: Jonas’s father is portrayed as a kind and caring man, working as a nurturer for the community and even bringing a baby named Gabriel to his family home to give him extra night care so he doesn’t have to get “released”. With that being said he also euthanizes babies which is what “releasing” really is and we actually see him do this to one baby simply for being a twin before casually dumping its body in a chute like garbage. Technically not his fault since he doesn’t know better but still messed up nonetheless.

Dr. Lessing from Life is Beautiful: Originally a faithful customer at the restaurant Guido works at, Dr. Lessing is shown to enjoy his Jewish friend Guido’s company with them both bonding over their love of riddles. Later when Guido and his son get sent to a concentration camp, he meets the doctor again who is now a high ranking officer and also the main doctor of the camp responsible for deciding which prisoners are too weak to work and should be executed. After they meet, the doctor has Guido secretly work as server, leading Guido to believe that the good doctor might have a way for him and his family to escape. This hope is dashed however when Lessing pulls Guido aside only to confirm if he got the answer to his riddle right, either being oblivious or simply not caring about the situation his former friend is in.

William Ford and family from 12 Years a Slave: in the film, William Ford and his family act as the “good” slave owners. They’re considered a humble Christian family that treat their slaves with a certain level respect not normally seen at the time, with William even gifting Solomon a violin. This of course doesn’t change the fact that they’re still SLAVE OWNERS, with one of William’s first act of the film being to separate a mother from her two children. To make things worse, when the obviously devastated mother arrives at estate in grief, Ford’s wife comforts her by saying “Have some food and rest. Your children will soon be forgotten.” Basically telling her she’ll get over it eventually. If that wasn’t bad enough when William gets into some financial trouble, he sells Solomon to a slave owner he know is cruel and also does this while knowing that Solomon is actually free man.