Before I get eaten alive in a bigger sub, I figured I should post this here to test whether I'm a psychopath or not lol. But basically title, I don't really understand why people are so against ghosting. Now yes it's not a nice thing to do, but if someone is willing to ghost me then that in itself tells me all I need to know right? Why waste time with a "here's why I was going to ghost you but now I'm explaining why I was about to ghost you" like lol just do it! It's ok, not everyone needs to be in each other's lives and they don't owe me a reason. Also I would feel worse having an awkward back and forth knowing it's ending or knowing they don't even want to talk, just cut me off and I have a high enough EQ to understand the message.

Again ghosting is objectively bad, but on the morality scale of bad things I feel like it's very near the bottom. Also ghosting itself is a new concept, because with phones now we are expected to stay in constant communication but that's not natural either. Back in the day you just had to hope they showed up at your front door next week.

I feel like with ghosting people miss the 2nd part of the equation: what is the better alternative? When someone gets ghosted what were they hoping for, assuming the ultimate conclusion is still the same, they don't want to be in your life anymore. And maybe this is an intp thing but I feel like most of us would actually prefer to be ghosted. Thoughts?

I feel like I’m meant to do something more with my life. I graduated college with a measly entry level job but I’m ready to learn again. MY BRAIN ITCHES TO BE USED. I’m really not trying to brag at all but I know that I can think in different ways than most people. I come up with ideas about things I didn’t even think that I could think of (if that makes sense). It could be about anything but I usually just think and forget.

I have always had bad grades. My teachers and professors have always been surprised at my grades because “I seem smart”. For gods sakes I did an entire year of independent research in undergrad and was the only student to do that in the school. HOW CAN I PROVE THIS PROFESSIONALLY???? I want someone to look at my resume and realize that I am an inspired and creative individual. I can truly learn anything on the job and be the best at it quickly. This is not me being cocky I can see the facts and I AM SO APPRECIATIVE OF THISE WHO TAUGHT ME.

What about a person catches you off guard?
Have any examples?

I've been thinking about how much of our perception of reality is shaped by mental shortcuts we aren't even aware of. We like to think we're making rational decisions, but our judgments can be influenced by things like confirmation bias, the sunk cost fallacy, or the tendency to interpret information in ways that reinforce what we already believe.

If you could remove one cognitive bias from your mind permanently, which one would you choose, and why?

Personally, I'd be interested in eliminating confirmation bias. I think being able to recognize when you're wrong, especially when a belief is tied to your identity, is one of the most valuable skills a person can develop.

I'm curious whether people would choose a bias that distorts their perception of reality, one that affects their decisions, or one that gets in the way of understanding other people.

Hey guys ,

Can you answer this question without appealing to any Te and Ni guidelines .

Just How do You Set Goals and Accomplish Them ( The INTP Way ) ?

Before I get eaten alive in a bigger sub, I figured I should post this here to test whether I'm a psychopath or not lol. But basically title, I don't really understand why people are so against ghosting. Now yes it's not a nice thing to do, but if someone is willing to ghost me then that in itself tells me all I need to know right? Why waste time with a "here's why I was going to ghost you but now I'm explaining why I was about to ghost you" like lol just do it! It's ok, not everyone needs to be in each other's lives and they don't owe me a reason. Also I would feel worse having an awkward back and forth knowing it's ending or knowing they don't even want to talk, just cut me off and I have a high enough EQ to understand the message.

Again ghosting is objectively bad, but on the morality scale of bad things I feel like it's very near the bottom. Also ghosting itself is a new concept, because with phones now we are expected to stay in constant communication but that's not natural either. Back in the day you just had to hope they showed up at your front door next week.

I feel like with ghosting people miss the 2nd part of the equation: what is the better alternative? When someone gets ghosted what were they hoping for, assuming the ultimate conclusion is still the same, they don't want to be in your life anymore. And maybe this is an intp thing but I feel like most of us would actually prefer to be ghosted. Thoughts?

Hey guys, looking for some advice here. Just to give u guys some context my boyfriend has a fearful avoidant attachment style. A couple months ago we were fighting like crazy so I basically decided to just cut off communication and told him. He literally said nothing back. Honestly it was probably stupid of me but whenever I felt down I'd text him saying I missed him and he still wouldn't reply at all.

Fast forward about a month later I decided to text him just to check up on him. He told me he wasn't doing good. Long story short he said that I was the only person he ever felt actual emotions and real feelings for. But he also said he doesn't believe that I actually missed him at all and thinks I just didn't care about him. He's changed so much now. He became super cold and barely replies. He claims it's like this with everyone around him not just me.

I really wanna support him and keep talking but I lowkey feel like I'm doing this for nothing. I just don't know because he says almost nothing about himself or his feelings. That's why I need an outside perspective. We started talking a bit more recently but now he's getting distant and ghosting my texts again. I'm lost and don't know what to do. It really feels like he's going through some deep depression or severe burnout..

Why do most men with the INTP personality type concentrate more on Reddit than other similar platforms?

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I gotta know 😂 How wild are your playlists? 🎧

I was studying electrical engineering and then switched to bachelors in computer science

Whether it is because you are analytical,emotionally or in other areas blessed with intelligence

whether you are very strong,very attractive or are gifted with being able to do something in life that the majority of people struggle with

If you actively ignore the traits that you have to fit in,eventually you will get taken advantage of

There are people who have low self esteem that won't ignore what you have and will try to mistreat and or use you to cope with there own problems.

And while you may feel like what they are saying or doing in defense of your mistreat may be justified

You have to understand the root motivation of that individual and defend yourself against that motivation

This person can be a family members,friends,romantic partners etc.

I have dealt with this personally and I wish someone taught me this when I was a kid.

Save yourself from mental issues and regret

Learn to say no

For the past few months I've been working on 16Selves, a free Jungian cognitive functions test. I've posted it here a couple of times before, and a lot of the current version exists because people pushed back on the wording, spotted inconsistencies, or told me their results felt off. So thanks for that. It's given me plenty to rethink.

The thing I've struggled with most is telling someone's natural preferences apart from things they've just learned to do. That's come up in a few different ways, so here's where I've got to.

Preference vs. learned behaviour

If you spend your whole working day organising people, making decisions or managing other people's feelings, you'll probably get good at it. But being good at something because your job demands it doesn't make it your natural way of thinking. It's hard to write questions that pick up the difference.

My attempt at this is adaptive follow-ups. Everyone answers the same 48 statements first, covering all eight functions. The test then picks out your two strongest functions and asks 16 more questions about them and their introverted/extraverted counterparts. These try to find out whether something happens automatically, whether it's been consistent over time, whether it takes conscious effort, or whether it mostly shows up when circumstances require it.

I don't know yet if this actually improves accuracy. I'm also not convinced the line between preference and adaptation is always as clean as we'd like.

Questions that measure the wrong thing

A statement can sound like a perfect example of a function and still not tell you much. Say someone would rather watch a physical activity than join in. That could be about how they process sensory information. Or they might be shy, tired, physically limited, or just not into that particular activity. The same problem crops up with questions about organisation, relationships, decision-making and planning.

I've added optional examples for each statement showing how it might look at work, at home or socially. The idea is to get people thinking across different settings instead of answering based on whatever situation pops into their head first. But examples can backfire too. They might clarify things, or they might nudge people towards a reading I didn't intend. I'd like to hear whether people find them helpful or limiting.

Some statements are just easier to agree with

Each function has six statements. Three are about what you tend to notice, prioritise or respond to, and three are phrased the opposite way. That helps with people's general tendency to agree with things, but only up to a point. If one function's statements sound nicer, more familiar or more socially acceptable than another's, that will still skew the scores.

The test also hasn't been standardised against a reference sample. So there's no real basis yet for saying a high score on one function means the same as a high score on another. That's on my list.

Your top function doesn't automatically decide your type

All eight functions are scored separately. Then the overall pattern is compared against the function stacks for all 16 types. The test doesn't just take your highest function, and it doesn't work out the four letters independently. You get the closest fit within the model.

You can see how the other types compare too. But the percentages show relative fit within the scoring model. They're not the probability that a given type is right.

What to do when the result isn't clear

This is the part I've gone back and forth on most. If two types score almost the same, should the test just pick one? And what if changing a couple of answers flips the result?

Right now it re-scores your answers 200 times, each time randomly moving individual answers by up to one point on the seven-point scale. That shows how often the leading type stays on top. If it keeps changing, or the top two are really close, you get a two-way shortlist instead of a single type. There's also a separate outcome for when several types are basically tied.

A stable result can still be wrong, though. The simulations don't prove accuracy or tell you how likely your type is to be correct. They just show how sensitive the ranking is to small changes in your answers. I'd still rather show that uncertainty than give someone one type without saying how close the alternatives were.

Still plenty to figure out

16Selves hasn't been empirically validated. The adaptive questions, balanced wording, stack comparisons and stability checks are all things I'm trying out, and I don't know yet how much they help. There are still problems with the underlying questions and scoring that I need to look into. That's a big part of why I'm posting.

Two things I'd especially like input on:

- How would you tell someone's natural cognitive preferences apart from behaviours they've picked up through work, upbringing or experience? What would you actually ask?

- How do you write questions about cognitive functions without accidentally measuring unrelated traits or circumstances?

Also, do you find a shortlist of possible types more useful than a single answer, especially when your responses don't clearly separate them?

If you want to try it, just search 16Selves. It's free and you don't need an account. Everything is processed in your browser and your progress is saved on your device. Nothing gets sent unless you choose to submit feedback and results. There's separate cookieless analytics for site usage, but it doesn't collect individual answers or scores.

Whether you tried an earlier version or this is your first time seeing it, I'd love to hear what you think. Specific examples help most: a question that was hard to answer, an example that seemed misleading, or a result that didn't seem to match your answers. Most of the changes so far have come from people taking the time to explain exactly where things went wrong for them.

I saw this question in INTJ sub but I’m afraid the comment section won’t have a lot of answers. But this question made me very curious. What do you think?
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50/50. Cognitive functions is how your patterns in thinking order itself while solving the problem. When you do it, different parts of your brain activate. Si - memory for details and experiences - hippocampus, Fe/Fi - empathy, social interactions - amygdala. You can’t use all the regions on the same level all at once

I’m not neuroscienctist but these’s AI break down of what brain regions are activated when your functions makes a certain order of activating brain regions:
Ti — logical analysis. When a person looks for internal inconsistencies, builds rules, evaluates options, and holds the task in working memory, the most likely involvement is from the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex, parietal cortex, and anterior cingulate cortex. These are part of the frontoparietal control network, which supports planning, concentration, comparing alternatives, and suppressing unsuitable solutions.
Ne — generating possibilities. When a person imagines different scenarios, searches for unexpected connections, and mentally simulates alternatives, the default mode network becomes involved: the medial prefrontal cortex, posterior cingulate cortex, angular gyrus, and medial temporal structures. This network is especially active during internal imagination, reflection, and mental simulation, but it must interact with frontoparietal control systems to select useful ideas.
Si — checking past experience. When a person recalls what they have already tried, compares the current situation with previous ones, and relies on concrete details, the hippocampus and other medial temporal structures are engaged, along with the posterior cingulate cortex, precuneus, and parietal association areas. These regions help retrieve autobiographical memories and compare them with the current task.
Fe — considering people and emotions. When a person thinks about how a decision will affect others, tries to understand other people’s reactions, or takes social norms into account, the medial prefrontal cortex, temporoparietal junction, superior temporal sulcus, anterior insula, anterior cingulate cortex, and amygdala become relevant. These areas are associated with understanding others’ intentions, empathy, assessing emotional significance, and social behavior.

EDIT: I want to add that cognitive functions and neuroscience are linked togather but there is also a purposeful priority which I don’t think that can be properly proven by neuroscience. Maybe it comes from childhood when certain triggers formed our patterns of what exact impulse the exact situation initiates. For example, if INTJ had a trauma then his thinking patterns will be still affected by past memories - hippocampus plus amygdala (I guess) which provide us with past experiences and what result we had which also makes us conscious about potential danger in recurring situations, it’s our survival system that everyone has. That’s why we’re scared of potential failures and danger and that what makes us to reevaluate our strategies.

It is also important how each cognitive function manifests itself. Psychopaths can be Fe users, but their amygdala is smaller and there’s a problem with processing between amygdala (excitement) and hyppocumpus that altogether form experiences on rhe emotional basis, that’s why they struggle with sensing risk factors and dangers and need to engage with more dangerous and stronger things, so they could feel arousal. They still can use cognitive empathy to maintain harmony or to integrate themselves into social circles, plus use it for manipulation which isn’t affected by amygdala cause it maintains unactivated.

So that just shows that cognitive functions can’t be seen only on neural level. There’s a lot of paychological factors that affect how exactly you functions will manifest itself and only when we have full psychological portrait of the person we can look at the brain activity scans

Just like that INTJ can be more empathetic (using amygdala) than INFP in certain situations or in general. So it’s pretty difficult to tell

I never thought I would relate to people who comment on debates with INTJs and describe them as snobbish, as if they always think they know better and are overwhelmed by their Fi. I know ENTJs, and I usually see how their Fi manifests in arguments, so I expected INTJs to be more intellectual and deeply analytical version of ENTJs.

But no, their Fi feels very prominent. I do not feel annoyed while arguing with other INTPs, but with INTJs it’s like their Fi feels violated. I have met two, so not enough to base my entire view on them but they are pretty similar. With one, I chatted briefly and then lost interest because I was the only one trying to expand the topic. They seemed boring and closed-minded. They shared their ideas with me which were a little delusional. I shared other perspectives that cthwy clearly didn’t consider but they just went silent eventually, so I changed the topic.

The other is someone I debated with. They would just say something, and it does not even seem persuasive—it just feels like their opinion. Yes, the reasoning can be logical, but you can sense Fi underneath it. It is as if they have taken a personal preference, rationalized it, and then refuse to look outside that framework, so they don’t consider anything outside of this buble reasonable. Well, reasonable - maybe, persuasive or something that is worth their attention or consideration - not at all. They also rephrased my statements in a way that made them sound more categorical, even though I had only suggested them as an option and different perspective.

Their Fi seems to dictate their values and personal boundaries—ones they refuse to compromise on in arguments which I guess made communication difficult cause it makes their stance more personal, so you can’t really debate in order to defend or find the truth, cause they already found their truth and it has personal aspect in it that you can’t debate with because the last question they ask themselves isn’t if it aligns with logical architecture but if it aligns with their personal values

Has anyone had experiences with INTJs? I wonder whether I should still hope for a better connection, or whether this is just how INTJs typically work with their functions and it’s just doesn’t work for me?

The post is simply humorous. But if you offer psychological advice or information it will be welcomed.

It basically happens when I communicate with someone. And especially when discussion gets interesting, like debate or just playing verbal games or anything. I start shivering. Considering that I spend a lot of time in internet discussing something with different people, I have this feeling quite often. In theory my body should have adapted to it already and stop doing it. But it continues.. I am socially awkward in rl, even though I might seem like I’m not but it always energy taking. Maybe light form of social anxiety, idk

I also noticed that survivor games with matches like Dead By Daylight also give me this shiver. And I guess it’s both excitement and stress lol. My heart is racing wildly. Am I abusing my nervous system?

I'm pretty young. 17M. And I feel like I think too slow.

I have some knowledge about mbti, and i think i can confirm im intp. I just want to know if there are other people like me with this problem and knew how to solve it.

I have an ENTJ father so one can assume that he's very strict. He's the type that sees the solution instantly and assumes that other people thought it too in a somewhat egotistical way saying things like "Just do that" , "you're making it hard for yourself, its just this simple" , "just follow the instructions said there.", "what is there to misunderstand?" And when I suggest a better solution or 'beat' him in an argument, he twists his words to imply that he also thought of that saying "thats what I mean" , or jump into random conclusions

I understand that he's just teaching me the right answer (except for the latter part. I'm still irritated by that). And i picked up some of his lessons as I grew, but I still overthink alot of problems. Currently he has me classified as "someone very smart but stuggles to follow instructions" And i think its true. I consider myself academically smart but fall pretty off at answering word problems. And I make an effort to fix that problem.

But lately it has been kind of annoying me. A consistent template of our encounters is like when I'm taking a long time to fix a chore, he just comes in saying "why are you taking so long? theres the solution right there" and I still cant find it. Then he gets irritated making chirps like "You really think thats better?", "follow my instructions".

Again I know it is just a way of teaching me. But i get thoughts like, 'if it had taken a bit longer, i could get to the same conclusion as him' 'I could've also thought of that if I had more time' which are just excuses, giving me a conclusion that i just think slow.

It has also affected me socially lately in school. I get jealous of people who are set in their ideas/solution during group projects while I'm still assessing the problem. I make the same excuses in my head "give me more time and i'll think of a better solution" "I could've also thought of that" but I know excuses are still excuses.

Normally I approach a problem like this: What is the essence problem? > what do I have? > can I make something with it? > If yes, make it > If not, find out what i can have.

But I see people like my dad or my classmates who approaches it like this (from my subjective observation): What's the problem > What the solution? > Find parts of the picked solution > solve.

So now I'm just stuck. My confidence feels low now and i want to share this. I feel dumb and slow. I haven't even picked what I want for college. What should I do?

I usually try to postpone our meetings till the time I’ll gather all the topics I want or ready to discuss. I don’t know why I have this issue.

What about you?

I think I am what you can say "stuck in your head guy" and just wondering how others here cope with this or got out of it.

Basically my story without going into much detail.. I have a good degree and academically I would consider myself kind of smart (back then).. things came easy early on without much effort. But after college I basically wasted 2 years doing nothing concrete. Now I have been in a job for 2 years (completely different from what i studied btw).. so on paper it looks fine now, at least I have a stable job.

You could say I am unsatisfied where I am.. not because the job is terrible, but I feel like I need to find something i want to do/commit to, like i get the understanding that i must specialize but what?, i need commit to something real and take actual action for my future. is terrible, but I feel like I need to commit to something real and take actual action for my future.

The problem is for the longest time I have been super avoidant. Just living in my head for quite a while, analyzing everything, making plans, thinking of paths.. but never actually taking action or responsibility. Just stayed in my head where its safe.

Now I know I need to pick a direction and commit.. but what to do? Whenever I try to decide, I get stuck in this loop of uncertainty. Always worried about making the wrong choice, plus with the whole AI uncertainty right now it feels like whatever long term plan you make might not even matter or go anywhere.. these things just dont let my brain settle on one thing.

I don't want to stay avoidant forever. I want to hear your stories if anyone went through something similar.. especially older or late bloomer INTPs who were avoidant and stuck in their head, but actually healed from that and found something they genuinely wanted to do.

Just looking to hear some similar experiences and how it worked out.

I always fail working for others. I have very low consciousness and very low agreeableness. You can imagine how horrible combination that might be. Add very high openness and it’s a disaster.

This combination esp low agreeable and low C makse it very hard to work in jobs for others. I become very reluctant and demotivated to do the job or even show up. I am also adhd i think.

But low consciousness means I also struggle with doing my own things!

Any idea? What do you guys do for living?

Why too tons of flairs!

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Not like dementia (atleast I think),more like you forget if something fairly important that occured recently happened yesterday or the day before, sometimes I forget everything that happened last week or yesterday even, like it all draws a blue to me, i don't even remember what i ate for breakfast yesterday

I'm in high school if that's worth mentioning

My friend group consists of only feeling types and I spend so much time with them because I dont really want to do anything else but. I care cause I want to care and I analyze because I do and i think that I dont want interact with them anymore, not because it's boring, yes intellectually it kinda is painfully so. But we have our moments and intelligence has has not much to do with my overall satisfaction with people. It not really them thats the problem, i think its me.

I have fallen done a existential nihilistic rabbit hole and im not not coming out. A few them have helped me get out my so called Fe loops. And I wouldn't have been here if it wasn't for them. But im still walking down hill. Not in a predetermined doom way but in way that a castle crumbles over time. I gonna change and wither grow cold. I know most people are okay with this and im okay aswell but im not okay with them being in it... and I know that this dumb cause no matter what I do im gonna leave a mark good and bad. So what matters?

What i want? What they want? A middle ground of both? I consider it. Leaving. I pick my stuff return what I can. Prevent anymore harm besides, It hurts me being here too and I know im not satisfied enough to bear that pain or im not fulfilled enough to live like this with them.

I think im doing this cause I think its for their betterment, no better than the authority I despise.

I think im doing this cause Its what makes me feel right, no better that the degenerates I abor.

And I know seeking help online for personal life decisions is highly debatable. And ill take that risk.

Iol pr9bably meet people who want to be friends maybe I think. Ill evaluate and decide to let them in aware of the risk of a separation like another friendship-

Bruh. Are u kidding me. What's the difference between that and my current situation?. Still though I still have to decide wether to do or not to do. Can anyone make even a little but more comprehensive or something.

Hey, can someone help me figure out whether I’m an INTP or INFP
I’ve identified as INFP for a while now, based on what I’ve learned about MBTI, but my gf is very convinced that I’m actually an INTP. I’ve started questioning my type because I relate to quite a lot of things about INTP as well, and now I’m genuinely unsure whether I’m an INFP or if I’ve misunderstood myself.
I’d really appreciate it if someone could help me figure out my type through questions, observations, or discussions. I’m not looking for someone to just tell me which type I seem like based on a few traits, but rather someone who can help me understand which cognitive functions I actually use and how they manifest in my everyday life.
I’m open to either possibility and would appreciate any help!

if so, how? what quality do you find interesting/attractive?