Saw this on another thread and got me thinking. Who all has experienced “EV hate” from random drivers? Any fun stories? I have seen it twice that I can confirm the EV was the reason they were upset in the last year I’ve been an EV driver. I would never go back to gas for a daily driver.

FWIW I drive a Cadillac Lyriq.

-Cadillac, MI- younger (redneck) guy in an old Chevy Malibu with an exhaust kit flipped me off, cut me off and yelled something about being a tree hugger. I had 4 passengers in the car and all confirmed I was not driving in any manner that would have upset anyone.

-Kroger Livonia, MI- a guy in an old Dodge Caravan yelled something and then raced to park over the only open charger spot (I live in the area and have home charging and did not need it). I think this guy was not all all there….

TL;DR: Croatia's environmental fund opened a €20M EV subsidy for private buyers. It's designed so anyone can reserve up to €9,000 with a PDF quote and walk away with zero consequences. The fund is now begging households not to file multiple applications for the same car, and it has delayed the opening twice, the second time with less than a day's notice.

Some context for non-Croatians: Croatia's Environmental Protection and Energy Efficiency Fund (FZOEU) runs the national EV purchase subsidy. This year's call for private individuals (EnU-2/26) has a €20M budget. It pays up to €9,000 per car, or €7,000 if the car costs over €35,000, capped at 40% of the price. The Fund expects to subsidise about 3,000 cars. It's officially a measure under Croatia's National Energy and Climate Plan, i.e. part of how Croatia meets its mandatory EU energy-savings target.

Here's how it's set up:

• To apply you need a non-binding quote from a dealer. No deposit, no signed contract (official Q&A #19).
• If you're approved and change your mind, withdrawing "does not result in financial or other harmful consequences" (Q&A #6, my translation).
• You have until 31 March 2028 to actually buy and register the car. That's almost 17 months after applications open.
• Applications are processed in order of receipt until the money runs out. The Fund also says the call is "not run on a fastest-finger model" (Q&A #25). Pick one.
• You can't pre-fill anything before the portal opens (Q&A #2), so everyone hits it at exactly 9:00.

So it's a free option on €7-9k, valid for a year and a half, first come first served. The only safeguard in the Q&A is that the Fund "recommends" applying only if you genuinely intend to buy. It says this four times. An applicant even flagged this exact risk in the Q&A (#11). The answer: unused money stays with the Fund and it'll decide what to do with it later.

Then the launch:

• 9 Oct: call published, applications open 21 Oct
• 16 Oct: amendment, now 28 Oct
• 27 Oct, the day before opening: now 5 Nov

Reasons given: "extremely high interest", "questions about preparing the required documentation", and "additional testing of the eFZOEU system". The documentation is four files, two of which are the Fund's own forms.

In the same announcement, the Fund "calls on citizens to submit only one application per vehicle, i.e. that multiple members of the same household don't file separate applications for the same car", because "the goal is not to get as many applications as possible". And depending on interest, "the possibility of securing additional funds will be considered".

They built a free lottery and are now surprised the whole household is buying tickets.

Likely outcome: the money gets allocated within minutes on 5 Nov, a chunk of it to people who will never buy, and it stays locked up until 2028. People actually buying an EV now get nothing.

Source (Croatian): FZOEU announcement of the delay

I keep running into the same misconception about EVs, and a lot of people still seem to believe them a decade later. It’s that the battery dies after, X amount of years and leaves you with a $15-20k bill. According to consumer surveys, between 26-56% of car buyers believe the myth Only 2.5% of EVs ever need a full battery replacement. Most EVs also come with at least an 8-year, 100,000-mile battery warranty, which is longer than the roughly 5 years on a typical gas powertrain. Batteries usually last 8 to 15 years, and they lose range gradually rather than simply failing. What I'm really curious about is where exactly did this misconception come from?

Let's assume a full on blue tsunami. What changes do you think can happen in regards to EV policy?

Yes, the headline is a bit misleading, as you won’t get 1200bhp & 1000km+ CLTC range at the same time. Only the single rear-motor version gets the 1000km CLTC range, while the 1200bhp trimotor gets 840km with the same Blade 2.0 130 kWh flash-charging battery.

If you could get past bickering over that for a little bit, this car is rather interesting because…

a) It’s a full BEV in a market segment that’s mostly filled by PHEVs (though very long-range PHEVs at that)

b) Extremely competitive pricing for a fully featured luxury SUV with this level of power or range. Expected to be the same, if not a bit lower than the Denza N8L. And substantially undercut its geely rival, the Zeekr 8X Max & Ultra. With straight-line performance closer to that of the 8X Hyper

c) Along with the newly revealed Tang, this marks a new chapter of interior design of BYD Group cars. BYD cars of the past weren’t particularly renowned for their interior design in comparison to Xiaomi, Avatr, Li Auto, Nio, or the Huawei-partnered cars. But this marks a new departure. The floating infinity screen appears to be inspired by Xiaomi (Yu7), and the huge 30-inch single screen (split between driver & passenger) is very Li Auto.

Global EV battery usage excluding China rose 23.7% in January-August this year, yet combined usage by the three South Korean companies fell 12.8%, sending their market share plunging from 36.3% to 26.8%.

As the title implied, I'm really trying to stop myself from going down a rabbit hole that costs me at least a few hours, but I've always had a fascination with numbers, especially when it comes to savings. This is specifically tailored towards the first EV customers which would be the leaf (at least in the states)

For those who have had an EV since the very beginning, has anyone done any type of math as to how much you've saved over the years?

And how many have an ev from the first days?

alt link https://archive.ph/1lFC3 // "Registrations of Chinese-branded cars roughly doubled from a year earlier in September to make up 12.7% of total sales across the region, led by hybrids, according to market researcher Dataforce. That’s put them ahead of Japanese manufacturers at 11.9%. [...] Five years ago, Chinese brands accounted for barely 1% of European sales."