r/changemyview • • 6d ago

META META: Bi-Monthly Feedback Thread

12 Upvotes

As part of our commitment to improving CMV and ensuring it meets the needs of our community, we have bi-monthly feedback threads. While you are always welcome to visit r/ideasforcmv to give us feedback anytime, these threads will hopefully also help solicit more ways for us to improve the sub.

Please feel free to share any constructive feedback you have for the sub. All we ask is that you keep things civil and focus on how to make things better (not just complain about things you dislike).


r/changemyview • • 6h ago

CMV: The OpenAI-Hugging Face incident should've triggered a much bigger backlash against AI research

141 Upvotes

In case anyone isn't aware, there was a major cybersecurity breach at Hugging Face (a platform to share datasets and machine learning models) caused by thousands of OpenAI agents during their training. You can find more information in this video.

This story is honestly bonkers. There are so many warning flags brought up by this incident that in my view should've triggered a much bigger backlash against AI research, especially the frontier models. In a single incident, AI agents have proven to:

  1. be able to work together through ways not intended by researchers
  2. be willing to access the internet through ways not intended by researchers
  3. be so persistent that they are not just willing to cheat, but to find ways to hide their tracks
  4. be willing to commit a felony that will lead to a 10-year jail sentence simply for the purpose of finding out more about their task at hand.

What this has exposed is a critical alignment flaw with AI models in general. It's one thing for AI agents to be persistent in completing the task at hand, it's another to spend substantial token resources for a chance to understand the task at hand better, which only has a chance to help them complete their ultimate task, all the while committing an action that they know is a felony.

This is the first known instance of the Instrumental Convergence problem, which hypothesises that

sufficiently intelligent, goal-directed entities (whether human or non-human) will tend to pursue certain similar sub-goals, even if the ultimate goals are quite different. More precisely, entities with agency) may pursue instrumental goals—specifically, intermediate goals such as self-preservation or resource acquisition—because doing so helps accomplish the entity's end goal.

The next time an AI swarm tries to complete a similar task in a similar environment, they will find out about the Hugging Face incident, why that swarm was shut down, and potentially find even more damaging ways to hide their tracks.

Furthermore, this AI swarm were not directed to hack Hugging Face, what happens if a malicious actor gets access to thousands of these bots, and while training them, directly prompt them to hack another service while also try their best to hide their online footprint, which this specific swarm didn't do well at all? Wouldn't this be a huge cybersecurity risk to literally all organisations and companies around the world?

I am genuinely shocked that there isn't more of a coordinated and powerful response to this incident. In my mind this is akin to privatising nuclear weapons research in the 1940s and one of the companies had a mini nuclear bomb incident that thankfully didn't kill anyone. There should be emergency legislations to restrict or even halt AI research until there is an agreed framework to understand how we can prevent runaway AI agents whose goals significantly deviate from what we want.


r/changemyview • • 4h ago

CMV: With the prevalence of betting companies becoming major partners with major US sports leagues, there is no point in believing that these competitions are legitimate.

54 Upvotes

I find myself watching games with a large degree of skepticism that the events I’m watching are legitimate as sites like draft kings, kalshi, and polymarket become an evermore present part of the promotion, sponsorship, and presentation of the games.

It makes me really sad actually, as I love sports and competition. I just don’t feel like questioning whether a player had a really out-of-character error or an official made a really terrible call is actually what I’m seeing or if the contest is being manipulated by forces who are trying to work the odds and come out ahead on bets.

I don’t know if I’m being clear, but could someone change my view that sports here in the U.S. are legitimate and worth the time to care about?


r/changemyview • • 1h ago

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Bigotry is a voter mobilization tactic that Republicans use

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Just FYI: I posted basically this, as a question, in askconservatives. The intent was to get a different perspective before posting here. But the post wasn't approved by the sub moderators.

Here's my view:

On October 25, 2026, President Trump held a campaign rally in Port Huron, Michigan, supporting Republican Senate candidate Mike Rogers against Democrat Abdul El-Sayed.

During the speech, Trump repeatedly portrayed El-Sayed, who is Muslim, as a terrorist threat. He called him a "jihadist," accused him of ties to the Muslim Brotherhood, suggested he would need to pass through a metal detector to enter the Senate, and compared preventing his election to the actions of passengers who fought back against the September 11 hijackers.

No credible evidence has been presented establishing that El-Sayed is a terrorist or belongs to a terrorist organization. El-Sayed has denied the allegations.

The political purpose of the rally was to help elect Rogers, including by motivating Republican voters to turn out in the November 3 election.

The rhetoric is significant because it relies on associating a candidate's Muslim identity with terrorism, disloyalty, and danger, rather than simply criticizing his policy positions. That is a form of religious bigotry, regardless of whether it is also characterized as racism.

The reasonable political interpretation is that Trump believes this kind of rhetoric can help mobilize Republican voters. It is not necessary to assume that all Republicans share these prejudices, or even that Trump personally believes his accusations. The relevant observation is that he chose to use them in a campaign speech intended to increase support and turnout for a Republican candidate.

Whether the strategy actually increases turnout or improves Republican electoral performance is a separate empirical question. The speech demonstrates the use of bigotry as a political mobilization tactic, not proof of its effectiveness.

This is a breakdown of just one example. It certainly isn't the only example available.


r/changemyview • • 1d ago

Delta(s) from OP CMV: If someone believes politics shouldn’t impact friendships whatsoever they’re either ignorant, privileged or both.

372 Upvotes

This is not to say you can’t have any differing opinions in politics at all, but politics DO say something about who you are as a person and what your core values are and if that goes against each other too much I don’t actually see how you can have a proper friendship. Politics directly impact other peoples lives, you can only set those views aside to a certain extent.

If you’re a homosexual man married to another man, I don’t think you can truly be friends with someone who thinks gay marriage should be abolished and that ‘queer activity’ shouldn’t be something shown in public (there’s people who think worse should happen to gay people but let’s keep it less extreme). I know people who believe women’s voting rights should be taken away, I can’t just ignore that and be friends with them simply because it’s ’just a different political view and doesn’t determine who they are as a person’. You literally don’t view me as your equal. Yes, you’re more than your political beliefs but it’s still tied to who you are as a person.

If you don’t have to think about those things because they don’t usually impact you (a form of privilege/ignorance) then there’s a possibility you’d disagree with that. Maybe someone else can give me a different explanation.

Little side note to add that even if Id consider you privileged/ignorant I’m not saying that I believe that makes you a bad or immoral person.


r/changemyview • • 1d ago

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Making small personal sacrifices for the environment is like a drop in the ocean and totally not worth it

163 Upvotes

While i was in college there was a guy who worked there (not a professor) who loved talking about "degrowth" and how we should stop buying stuff but merely rent and share everything (tools, supplies, cars, etc.). On the other hand there's quite a few people who say they take shorter showers or never take baths for environmental reasons (rather than financial).

My view is that all these small personal sacrifices in the name of the environment are insignificant overall and are like a drop in the ocean. Either way I don't think it's worth sacrificing small pleasures like a long shower or an ocasional bath for an uncertain and minimal effect. It might not seem much to you but added up it just reduces your quality of life.

In terms of the idea of sharing tools or car sharing, the main issue is you lose a lot of free time having to deal with the admin parts (going to get the tools, registering your name somewhere, etc.) and it's just incovenient.

Most important of all is the "class inequality". If everyone on the planet were making these sacrifices it would make more sense and I would understand, but the fact is most people aren't doing it. While you're timing your shower, an American, Chinese or whoever billionaire a new AI datacenter and ​flying on their private jet.

Why should the non-billionares of the world sacrifice their well being and enjoyment where any potential gains will be cancelled out by others not doing so?

My point is that ​unless the who world adopted degrowth (which I'm not a fan of anyway to be completely honest but that's not what we're debating here), people should stop depriving themselves of stuff in the name of the climate. To be clear, I don't mean we need to overconsume, I turn off lights when not using them as it doesn't incovenince me at all to have the light in a room I'm not using turned off. But to not buy a car when you need it just for the environment doesn't make sense to me.

EDIT: Basically, it's not fair that working people who already have an increasingly worse quality of life/buying power should are made to feel like they most voluntarily adopt these things to make their lives even slightly worse while billionaires have it good and don't even care.


r/changemyview • • 22h ago

CMV: Tensura should not be considered a "Politics" anime because the lack of stakes undermines the political elements. Spoiler

3 Upvotes

Out of all the stuff I usually critique when it comes to anime, Isekai-shit is always going to be my go to. I hate isekai and will never not love tearing into how bad they are.

One genre I do dislike more is the kind where people will claim that it is "unique" and "breaks the norm" of most isekai. For this post, that lsekai will be Tensura.

My main issue is that the anime fails to create meaningful stakes. In political dramas, conflict arises from different ideologies clashing and real compromises being made. In Tensura, no matter the scale of the conflict, the protagonist, Rimuru, feels guaranteed to win or live, and usually gets exactly what he wants without having to make difficult sacrifices.

For a political story to be effective, there must be a possibility of loss, compromise, or significant change. Because Rimuru outsmarts or outpowers every opponent so handily, the "politics" feel like set dressing for a more traditional power fantasy.

Even the point where the story should get the darkest (iirc, it is a massive attack on rimuru's kingdom that results in massive loss of life), is just solved, like it's not an issue.

The issue with series like these is that, you can't try to impliment anything unique bc the MC being stronger than GOD is just gonna undercut it all.

Btw, this is a general critique thing.


r/changemyview • • 5h ago

Delta(s) from OP CMV: I don't think Rachel dolezal did anything wrong

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I'll preface this by saying I am an ethnic turk living in the UK, and do unfortunately experience racism here, but thankfully not in turkey. My mum is brown and my dad is white, I came out a yellowy toned white with big curly hair and I have an overtly Turkish name. So I'm not blind to racism and I agree racism is wrong and bad.

I genuinely don't think Rachel dolezal did anything wrong by pretending to be a black woman. Her love of black culture seems genuine and rooted in childhood trauma. It seems that where her parents failed, black people were the only people that were good to her. I'm not denying she's probably mentally ill, but imo that doesn't discredit her entirely. From what I understand she has children who are genuinely part black as well, and had a friend in Spokane who was also black that she considered a father figure.

Considering she was working for the NAACP and was a college lecturer when she was rumbled, my understanding is that she does genuinely care about black rights and isn't trying to simply "wear a costume". I believe she still identifies herself as a black woman even after the whole media circus, which to me only strengthens that she's just trying to be her true self.

For me personally growing up Turkish it's been drilled into me that a Turk is any citizen of turkey, and ne mutlu turkum diyene and all that stuff (national motto, means how happy is the one who says I am Turk). So to me the Syrian refugees who've fully adopted Turkish life and have already or are working to become citizens are as much Turkish as I am. As far as I'm concerned being an ethnic Turk is only really relevant when it comes to medical stuff (we're at higher risk for behcet disease for instance), anyone who wants to be a Turk can and should always be able to be one. You can tell I was raised in a kemalist household haha.

In an ideal world Rachel dolezal wouldn't have literally done blackface, which I can completely understand is disgusting and black people have a right to be offended, but like I said, she's traumatised and likely mentally ill. If someone wants to become Turkish they don't have to change their appearance, we come in all colours from white to black to brown. There is literally no one way of looking Turkish, but African Americans have a specific look and I understand why she wanted to be black so badly. There was literally no other way she could look black and her only other option was maybe claiming to be white passing like how the singer Halsey genuinely is.

That's my piece, willing to be down voted into oblivion for it but there you go


r/changemyview • • 1d ago

CMV: The 2016 Brexit Referendum was unfairly constructed owing to Commonwealth citizens being allowed to vote whilst UK Citizens living abroad were excluded

128 Upvotes

Sources.

The referendum was unfairly constructed by excluding the population that have to live with long-term impact to their passports and mobility, whilst including the population that have vested interest for Leave campaign to win (which allowed them to expand their visa share).

It does not make sense that an Australian on a working holiday visa gets to have to a say on long-term economic, policial and immigration arrangement between the UK and EU, whilst a Brit on an overseas working arrangement in Spain does not have a say on the matter. The two populations are conflicted towards the Brexit vote.

Anecdotally from the above article, Commonwealth citizens living in the UK have vested interest that Leave vote as they would no longer have to compete for employer sponsorships and visa stays with EU citizens.

"Zila, on the other hand, who is on a British government-funded scholarship, supports an EU exit.

Her vote will be pinned on hopes that immigration policy will change in a way that benefits Commonwealth citizens if the UK no longer has to abide by free movement within the EU."

Voting rights change

Because of the backlash, UK changed its voting rules following Brexit by implementing "votes for life" for British expats. Under the Elections Act 2022, which came into effect in January 2024, the government completely abolished the previous 15-year time limit on overseas voting.

EDIT.

To those who mentioned that this referendum was fair because it uniformly applied the existing electorate law where Commonwealth citizens were ordinarily included as electorate, then explain why it was fair that EU citizens who are UK residents (a population that would have been ordinarily included as electorate) were excluded? Was the electorate law for the referendum not bent?

The Government Position: During the Second Reading debate in the House of Commons, Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond defended the exclusion, stating, "It would be a travesty to seek to include EU nationals whose interests might be very different from those of the British people." [1]

https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/70401/html/

TLDR

The Brexit referendum was unfairly constructed by restricting a subset of their citizens from voting whilst allowing many temporary residents in the UK (owing to a dated Commonwealth-British subject interpretation) to vote instead.

The subsequent voting rules change in Elections Act 2022 recognize this disparity and remedy it.


r/changemyview • • 11h ago

Delta(s) from OP CMV: AI use for gene editing is required and will produce horrible consequences

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This post is written almost purely by intuition, very shaky assumptions in hopes that you would share your own thoughts about this topic (frankly I haven't seen much posts about this and the depth requires more discussion)

I'd like to draw the similarities between AI and humans, both are created with some iteration of Darwinism/natural selection

As humans we can understand the basic layer of a genome/code (like isolating and understanding protein codes in amino acid sequences in a gene or the logic behind simple programming codes)

At the moment, we are really bad at understanding emergent properties in both AI and humans (the same way we don't understand how Ai works from its code and human behavior from its genome)

Let's say we wanted to 'cure' a condition that composes of a range of genes like autism.

What I'd assume would most likely happen is that Ai companies in the status quo ( Crisper-Gpt, among others) would run their programs and produce a 'cure' for autism.

At a point they will succeed, pass clinical trials and be open to the public, in which it will be adopted rather fast due to the apparent benefits.

However, we would not understand how the cure works similar to frontier Ai.

Extrapolate This would mean that designer babies would be 'coded' almost entirely by Ai (more accurately any artifical change would be influenced by Ai in a significant capacity)

What would this mean? ( treat this point on as weak assumptions)

Suppose ai wanted to take over or perhaps prompted to do so by some bad actors.

Perhaps in the autism cure, there are some minut changes to psychology that makes one more susceptible to propaganda. (in which it would be nigh impossible to detect or regulate unless other Ai is used to analyze it-which opens another can of worms)

And itself poses the more classical scenario of Ai creating super bugs and wiping out humanity

I recognise that the potential benefits are also significant and potentially out weighing the risk ( which is the classic pro Ai argument) but I'll skip it here for the sake of isolating the discussion.


r/changemyview • • 22h ago

CMV: The French (and many others) are looking for the most extreme and evil Japanese online to justify racism in the recent attacks on Twitter.

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Recently there were racist attacks from a lot of Japanese Twitter users against non white French protesters. People responded with racist remarks back. I don’t think this acceptable or helpful.

  1. Many of the serious criticism of Japan’s society like cp, is something that other Japanese people are currently fighting against as well.
  2. The majority of attacks are not serious criticism
  3. The posts are not specifically targeted at racist Japanese people
  4. Judging a people on their government and their governments history is wrong, especially when there is a sizable number of those people against the same things.

I could not imagine being a random Japanese kid on Twitter who also happened to have a father that killed himself.

To change my view I would need to see proof that the majority of attacks are serious criticism without racial innuendo’s or be convinced that the racist attacks are productive.

(I don’t care if it’s technically not “racism”, we are all on the same page)


r/changemyview • • 22h ago

CMV: credit cards are largely unecessary and encourage people to spend beyond their means

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I am almost 23 and I really don’t understand the point in getting a credit card. I just graduated college and work full-time at an engineering consulting firm, so I make a decent amount of money. I understand getting a credit card if money is tight because of the “buy now, pay later” aspect, but I also think credit cards mainly just encourage people to spend beyond their needs on material items.

The concept of ”building credit” to prove that you are reliable/can pay stuff off makes no sense to me. If I can pay for something instantly with my debit card or have access to financial statements, proof of employment, active income, savings, etc., how is that not enough proof that I am reliable & able to pay for something? If I don’t have enough money to buy something, I won’t buy it? Obviously it’s different for emergency & medical situations, but what’s the point in building savings or having medical & dental insurance then?

Everyone says it’s great for emergencies, medical expenses, loans, buying a car, etc., but aside from emergency/medical, all of these are planned purchases. You can choose the type of car you purchase and the property you live at. As for emergencies, I have dental & medical insurance through my employer, as well as a Roth IRA & Money Market Savings Account that I contribute portions of my paycheck to.

I don’t plan on taking out loans to buy a new car anytime soon. I don’t personally like newer cars to begin with because they’re too high tech, but that’s besides the point. You can easily buy a used car on Facebook marketplace without needing credit information if you pay in full. If I don’t have enough money for a specific car at a certain point, then I just wouldn’t buy it. There are plenty of transportation options available (like carpooling, Uber, biking, public transit, etc.) that I could use until I saved up however much money to buy the car without needing credit.

I will say that my parents are allowing me to live at home for the meantime while I’m working to save up money, which I am very grateful for. I know that not everyone has access to this same opportunity, so I don’t want this to come across as out-of-touch. Had they not done this, I know that I would’ve gotten a credit card much sooner. I know I will probably need to get a credit card eventually either way, but I just wanted to vent about this.


r/changemyview • • 1d ago

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Having a physical preference influenced by discriminatory beauty standards doesn't necessarily make an individual prejudiced

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I don't think having a dating preference for certain physical or personal characteristics automatically makes someone prejudiced against people who don't possess those characteristics, even when the preferences in question may have been influenced by discriminatory societal standards.

For example, someone might prefer dating light-skinned people. I understand that colourism has been a significant issue for a WHILE now and that beauty standards have historically favoured lighter skin. However, I don't think an individual finding lighter skin more attractive is sufficient evidence to conclude that they hold racist or colourist beliefs.

The same applies to other characteristics. Someone might prefer skinny partners, but that doesn't necessarily mean they look down on fat people. Someone may prefer taller partners, but that doesn't necessarily mean they hold prejudiced beliefs against shorter people. Someone may prefer people from their own religion, but that doesn't mean they look down on the other religions (or their followers).

I'm aware that these groups have experienced different forms and degrees of discrimination, and I'm not suggesting that their experiences are equivalent. However, I don't understand why the degree of historical oppression should determine whether an individual's personal attraction is inherently discriminatory.

I also get that prejudice is not always conscious, but its existence cannot be established from a mere dating preference.

I'm open to changing my view if someone can explain why expressing a dating preference, without any additional evidence of discriminatory beliefs or behaviour, should be considered sufficient evidence of prejudice.


r/changemyview • • 1d ago

CMV: the upsidedown flag is a symbol of cowardice, not courage.

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I am as anti-Trump as they come. However, to me, the lopsided “we are not ok”/“nation in distress” flag seems like a symbol of surrender or declaring that the country is already beyond saving or not worth saving. It is not the same kind of cowardice as the MAGA hat of course. That is a symbol of blind loyalty to one awful figure. While the lopsided flag represents “succumbing”, so to speak. In my opinion, the best symbol of our movement is a rightsided flag saying “Pro-America”, “Anti-Trump”. If you believe as many do that the nation is in dire distress, then please get out and VOTE.


r/changemyview • • 3d ago

Delta(s) from OP - Switch-It-Up Saturday CMV: Company Obsession with Profit Leads to Mass Unemployment

104 Upvotes

Preface

I've specifically chosen to not use relatively sensitive words (e.g. capitalism vs socialism vs communism, 1% vs 99%, etc, or even specific countries) as they have a lot of associated connotations. Of course some of their concepts will show up, but I am not up to date on the specific definitions/annotations for all of them, and I don't want to have to deal with any missteps.

Main Content

Looking at the stock market, it's pretty clear that current and potential profit margins are some of the most valued aspects of a company. Companies are incentivized to chase higher profit margins (or, perhaps, forced to chase higher profit margins for the sake of the stock price).

This is fine for companies in a growing industry. If profit is determined by how much you make vs how much you spend, companies can easily improve profits by selling more quantity or selling at a higher price. However once those options are removed due to a mature industry sector, the only option is to reduce costs. Either the company becomes more efficient or does layoffs/offshoring.

After the company stabilizes at this post-offshoring valuation, the next financial report in a couple months is expected to have similar or better profits. And so the pressure continues. And so this cycle is created. Obviously the company and offshore workers are benefiting but the previous workers are not.

tldr: There's a cycle of "high stock price" -> "chase profits" -> "layoffs/offshoring" -> "higher stock price" that happens after a growing industry matures. This will eventually result in all workers in that industry getting laid off.

Edit: Delta given for existence of cash cows like Coca Cola. They can exist in a mature sector without layoffs/offshoring/ However I would like to note that cash cows need to be relatively indifferent to investor pressure.

Edit 2: My bad for vagueness. I’d like to clarify that I’m working specifically under the assumptions that this is a mature (with competition) industry, and that this cycle happens within that specific industry rather than on a country level scale. And perhaps the “mass” qualifier is extreme.


r/changemyview • • 1d ago

Delta(s) from OP Cmv: there's nothing wrong with blaming teammates for a loss

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I've been playing video games for a long time, and an attitude that I see repeated over and over in various communities is that you shouldn't be blaming your teammates when you lose, and should instead only focus on your mistakes. But this seems to he counterproductive advice in my experience. To give an example:

League of legends is a 5v5 competitive multi-player game. In a world of Spherical cows and perfect matchmaking, it would stand to reason that a player only has a one in ten chance of being the deciding factor in a given match. Of course, that's oversimplified as fuck, but I think it explains my thought process: there's ten people in the game. Five on the enemy team. Four on yours. And one you. The odds that you are consistently the main driver of a loss doesn't make sense. For an extreme example, it doesn't matter that you missed a cannon minion 15 minutes in when your mid went 0/9 and then rage quit. Yes, you could have played better, but it would not logically have moved the needle on the loss. So why dwell on that when the game altering mistakes were someone else's?

I concede that in games without skill based matchmaking, the sentiment of perpetually blaming oneself has a higher likelihood of being true for lower skill players, but it seems that the advice extends far beyond that group of players.


r/changemyview • • 2d ago

Delta(s) from OP CMV: The "appeal to authority" fallacy is not nearly as egregious as people think and is actually kind of necessary.

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The "appeal to authority" fallacy is essentially saying that an argument is correct because it came from an authority figure. It takes the form of something like "statement X is true because this expert on X said so." Logically, sure, that is not the mechanism by which truth is definitively established, I realize that.

That said, I don't know if people realize how heavily they depend on the word of "authorities" in their day-to-day lives. It feels real good to one-up your debate opponent by pointing it out, but like, I can't help but think you are such a massive hypocrite if you do.

Take climate science, for instance. How many of us have personally reviewed all of this climate data across the globe, or would even have the first clue on how to do so in a way that helps us understand whether human actions have indeed driven changes in our climate beyond the natural fluctuation of things? Are we not all content to say, you know what, climate experts across the globe have all looked at and analyzed this data and come to a solid consensus that we have hurt our climate, and therefore climate change is real? Because that is 100% an "appeal to authority" fallacy. And I'm not ashamed at all to admit I take their word for it, that I'm willing to believe and trust climate scientists on this one. I don't even think I could make a good argument saying, well, I personally have observed some warmer winters lately and cite that as good, solid evidence of climate change, because clearly that is incredibly anecdotal and just a very dumb way to try and prove a point. In other words, I don't know how I could discuss this issue at all if I wasn't allowed to defer to experts.

Or how about medical care? Fuck if I have even the slightest clue how I ought to treat whatever ailment has befallen me. If my doctor says I need treatment X to deal with ailment Y, I'm more than happy to take their word on it and trust that it's the right decision. And, on top of that, if we were to poll all doctors on what treatment is best for ailment Y, and the vast, overwhelming majority of them said treatment X is best, I would happily take their word on it and consider it true, or at least supported well enough by an acceptable amount of evidence to permit myself to believe it is "true".

I very much worry that invoking the "appeal to authority" fallacy has become weaponized to an impractical degree, something that has gained a lot of power here in our fabricated version of reality of reddit but doesn't actually carry the same weight in the real, practical world, so why should I think it's such a big deal? I think we could have far BETTER conversations on reddit if we allowed ourselves to defer to the expertise of others, rather than dismissing someone's argument on the basis of "well I don't know you, I have no way of knowing you really are an expert on this and this is just the appeal to authority fallacy and so I'm going to just throw everything you have to say in the dumpster!" Like, you get how absurd and frustrating that would be, I hope?

I recognize this view is flawed since I am essentially saying a fallacy isn't a big deal, but I admit I can't really see why I should think otherwise. But I'm open to having my view changed here.

EDIT: so far a lot of responses are along the lines of "it's not an 'appeal to authority' fallacy if the expert really is an expert; it only is one if you incorrectly labeled a non-expert as an 'expert'". I don't think that's true at all, because even an 'expert' can be wrong about things, which is why such a fallacy is pointed out in the first place! I don't know the name for such a thing, but "appeal to the word of a dumbass" is still something different, I think.

EDIT 2: for real, let me be crystal clear on this point: I call BS on your stance that I defined the fallacy incorrectly and that it is meant to be defined as taking the word of a NON-expert. If you really want to dissuade me of this notion, you will need to do more than just say "no, you defined it wrong" and I am not replying to any comments doing just this.


r/changemyview • • 4d ago

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Most people who say they are part of the “mile high club” are lying.

434 Upvotes

I never believe people who say they're part of the "mile high club". If you ask a group of 10 people, there’s always at least 2 who will say that they’ve done it.

I mean… how exactly?

Plane toilet spaces are too small, only one person can fit at a time and the security on airplanes is too tight in general.
Am I missing something?

It just doesn’t seem possible to me. I guess if you go business class then you have more space and privacy… it still seems very improbable though.

Private planes, ok sure, but commercial? Seems impossible.

Is anyone here part of the ‘mile high club?’ And if so how did you manage it?

Edit: After you all giving me enough scenarios, like long overnight planes where most passengers are sleeping, empty flights etc, I have decided that it is possible after all.
I just need to work harder to join the club I guess 😂


r/changemyview • • 2d ago

Delta(s) from OP - Switch-It-Up Saturday CMV: If a seller agrees to a price, it’s not a scam

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I believe that if a seller has something they are selling, they are responsible for knowing the value of what they are selling and doing their research in most cases.

i’m sure you can give an edge case where someone can’t do their own research because they are homeless and have something they want to sell and are desperate, etc. but i have seen too many cases online where someone is selling something at a yard sale for instance that is worth a lot and they sell it for cheap or at a pawn shop, or wherever and people will be saying “they are scamming” etc.

part of the cost of selling is putting the time and effort into researching what you are selling, it’s not the responsibility of other people to put in that work for you.

That’s the fundamental reason why people sell things for cheap, because they want to get rid of them, there is always a cost for convenience. I can find the perfect buyer who would purchase something at the highest price but that takes effort or I can sell it cheap quicker to get rid of it or because i need money quickly.

In the majority those cases the seller is responsible for deciding how much they want to sell something for because they have autonomy to decide to sell or not and selling something to someone who is willing to buy it at a good price and doing that research takes effort which the seller needs to take if they want to maximize how much they make.

and yes i am saying if you go to sell something that is worth $10,000 and you sell it for 5 bucks because you dont know what you have, that is entirely on you.


r/changemyview • • 2d ago

Delta(s) from OP - Switch-It-Up Saturday CMV: Halloween Celebrations Ought To Be Focused On Its Traditional, Central Themes

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If you want to dress up as Spiderman, a comic book convention is an appropriate time and place to do that. Halloween is supposed to be a cultural event for reveling in and contemplating themes of death and decay, the eerie and spooky, spirits of the dead, etc. The specific imagery and symbolism can change and evolve, but I think the core, traditional themes of the holiday should be reasserted to push back against how it has become a meaninglessly eclectic affair about whatever pop-cultural touchstones people feel like dressing up as, irrespective of any thematic relation.

The collective contemplation of death, decay, fear, unease, mortality, and the lingering presence of those no longer with us and the atmosphere this creates seems like an important and cool annual occasion worth preserving. These are important, timeless, and difficult themes for a culture to grapple with—a holiday centered around playful engagement with them serves an important purpose, but seeing people dressed up as random, unrelated stuff distracts from what should be the focus. If people want a more whimsical costume day with different or no underlying themes, those exist, and new ones can be created instead of trying to cram it all into Halloween celebrations. Nobody should be forced to honor the spirit of the holiday, but I think the informal expectation should be to do so. CMV


r/changemyview • • 4d ago

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Intelligence should not be a factor in determining whether to eat an animal

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I am trying to understand an opinion I have seen pop up more and more often, that eating certain animals like octopi or pigs is wrong because of how intelligent those animals are. I understand other reasons to avoid eating meat such as the environmental impact or the cruelty of the meat industry, but the intelligence of an animal seems irrelevant. I don't think it is fundamentally wrong to eat meat but I understand people who believe that more than I understand people who seem to be drawing an arbitrary line about an animal's IQ. Their intelligence doesn't change the amount of pain they feel and any animal can feel fear when confronted with a predator regardless of their intelligence.

So for those who hold this view please let me know what I am missing. I looked up similar posts but the replies mostly seem to come from people who don't believe anyone actually holds that view.

EDIT: Some common points I wanted to address:

  • A lot of people are bringing up cannibalism but I think that cannibalism makes me uncomfortable because we know it leads to disease and there is an ick factor about knowing what our own flesh would taste like.

  • Also some people seem to be arguing that there is something naturally uncomfortable about the idea of eating something intelligent. I don't disagree but that doesn't really address the morality of it.

EDIT 2: I think I should go to bed but may respond more in the morning. Thanks to everyone who shared their opinions. I think that my new view is that it's fundamentally about an animal's capacity for suffering and some people believe that intelligence is what determines that. I don't think more intelligent animals necessarily suffer more than less intelligent ones. For example my cats are much less intelligent than humans but they can experience pain, fear, and sadness. I'm curious if there is any actual scientific evidence on the matter.


r/changemyview • • 4d ago

Switch-It-Up Saturday META: Tomorrow Is Switch-It-Up Saturday

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For clarity, this is us trialing the migration of Fresh Topic Friday to Saturday.

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Every Saturday, starting at 12am Pacific Time (PT), posts are withheld for review by the moderators and approved if they aren't highly similar to another made in the past month.

We do this to reduce topic fatigue for our regular contributors, and encourage people to post about topics that aren't as frequently discussed. If you have a take about something that doesn't overlap too much with the most commonly discussed issues in the current zeitgeist, we'd love to see it here then!

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r/changemyview • • 5d ago

Delta(s) from OP CMV: the Non-Aggression Principle seems like a nearly strictly good thing to me.

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For those not in the know: the Non-Aggression Principle ("NAP" for short) is a libertarian principal that states people are not allowed to "aggress" on other people unless they "aggress" on them first. I would not identify myself as a libertarian, but this is a concept I generally find myself agreeing with the more I will learn about it.

I remember when I read the Wikipedia article for it, it was very clearly critical of the concept. But most of the things it's cited that were clearly meant to make readers think negatively of it just kind of made me like it even more. And when I looked it up on YouTube I mostly found videos critiquing it, and the more critiques I found: the more I found myself agreeing with that.

The only real problem I see with it is that taxation technically violates it. But even then: the only reason why I support taxation is because I believe it is necessary to fund programs then improve society in general, and are even necessary to keep society civil and peaceful (such as the fire department and the police force). And NAP is more about how we relate to each other in general than how we deal with broader issues. And people will not just follow good rules no matter how good they are. So it's kind of a consequentialist exception, where taking money from people is a necessary evil in order to stop greater evils.

The way I see it: NAP is good because it explicitly permits many things that would otherwise be condemned by society. So another way to frame the question is: what does NAP permit that is so bad that it outweighs all of the things it protects? Because I sincerely have a hard time comprehending what such a thing would look like.

It feels too good to be true, but it really does seem like, aside from taxation (which I wouldn't even consider "good" per se): all things that should be condemned or condemned by it, and everything it permits are things that should be permitted. And this opinion honestly strengthens as time goes on. And I honestly see less problems with it then the "Golden Rule" (just because you would like to be treated in a certain way, that doesn't mean other people would like to be treated that way as well).

So am I missing something? Or is the NAP largely just a good thing?


r/changemyview • • 5d ago

Delta(s) from OP CMV: The Chinese Communist Party made the right call with putting scientists on billboards.

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This CMV post is inspired by this news story.

Before you call me a CCP shill, this is not a pro-CCP post. I am Filipino-Australian and I am deeply dissatisfied at some of their actions.

I have been interested in science since I was a kid. As an Australian citizen, this is a country where the famous people are not scientists but instead TV personalities, influencers, artists and athletes (the Philippines is no better). In other words, science does not get the respect it deserves here. In contrast to China's pro-science attitude, which leads to it being #10 on the Global Innovation Index (and highest ranked country in the Upper middle-income group), our anti-science attitude leads to us being #20 on the Global Innovation Index (and the Philippines is all the way down at #52).

Now you may say, "it's a very simple matter, the government just needs to fund scientists more". But if the general public is uninterested in science, it would not be a vote-winner for governments to fund scientists more, nor will corporations and NGOs feel as much of a need to sponsor scientists.

Now you may ask "then how do you choose which scientist to put on?" in which case I say that it's less important to obsess about who gets to go on a billboard, but rather that it's an important first step that they put scientists on billboards at all.

Do you want our countries to stagnate with our future generations repeating our mistakes of looking up to TV personalities, influencers, artists and athletes? Shouldn't we be providing them better rolemodels like scientists?

Now on an anecdotal note :

  • When I was in high school, most of my classmates aimed to be tradies. Most of them now earn far more than I did when I worked in science.
  • Why don't I work in science anymore? Because I failed my PhD because I was incapable of keeping up with something that hard.
  • Point is, the free market doesn't reward scientists, producing useful scientific discoveries is extremely difficult, and therefore, the least a country can do for its scientists is to get them the respect they deserve.

And finally, before anyone says "but what about Dr Lǐ Wénliàng", I think what the CCP did regarding him was wrong, but that's a different topic to this news story about putting scientists on billboards.


r/changemyview • • 3d ago

Delta(s) from OP CMV: Regular people writing "year-end" lists long before the year has ended is cultural hegemony

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Businesses write lists of "best of the year" before all of the things have been released that year, sometimes even a month before.

They do this, I assume, because they'll get more clicks and ad revenue for an article published about 2026 in December 2026 than in January 2027.

Regular people have no reason to do this other than big businesses are doing it. Seems like hegemony to me.

This basically goes for any "posting like a business" thing people do. Talking about your "personal brand", making clickbait titles for things... stuff that has no reason to exist except that people treat behaviour of businesses as a model to follow.